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Old 28th July 2015, 18:49   #481
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The MVA asks whether one is driving for commercial gain (hire or reward). So if you hire a driver for your private vehicle, that driver should have commercial license. If you hire a commercial vehicle for your personal drive, you do not require commercial license. (see this link: http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct...98717601,d.c2E ). See the section 10 d in the pdf file.

Permits are required for commercial vehicle (see http://delhigovt.nic.in/newdelhi/dept/transport/tr8.asp) . Zoomcar vehicles are commercial vehicles . Hence they are right to state that they have "All India Tourist Permit".

So to summarize, you require a commercial license (LMV-TR) if you drive for commercial gain. Your vehicle requires a permit, if you use it for commercial purpose.
The commercial licence requirement is taken care of by the self drive permit which is included in every zoom car. I have used their service and along with the vehicle papers, there is also a self drive permit attached. I wish i had taken a copy of the same as that would make this very clear. this permit is to comply with the norms that although its a commercial vehicle with AIP, it can be self driven like any other vehicle provided all RTO visitor passes are in order( which need to be paid at the RTO Checkpost). I hope somebody else in this forum has a copy of this self drive permit paper which they can upload for everybody elses benefit.
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Someone here from the hvk forum? Can you please put a post there to "document" how the taxis operate, how they drive, park, where they wash etc, so that is fellas can have guidelines and understand what it is that rental/own car drivers are doing wrong, and won't in the future?
If you know what I mean, yeah.
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A bike group who were in Leh and witnessed this have to say this

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It was 11th July arnd 6 in the evening. We were preparing for our departure from leh the next morning and the plan was to go via the manali highway. So we decided to fill up our tanks and spare tanks in the evening. We went to the Indian oil pump at the leh circle. While filling up fuel. I heard some commotion from the other side of the road. Now since it's a circle with the some beautification done in the middle I didn't have a clear view of the other side. But it involved about 7-8 cars and a lot of people. At that point we thought that someone hit someone and there is a fight that broke. I assumed this because I could see local guys arguing with people who, well seemed like tourists. So it was safe for me to assume that some tourist has hit a local car and now it's a typical scene of locals gang up to recover money. I didn't give it a second thought at all and decide to leave for our hotel. Enroute we stopped at an atm which took painfully long time. So about an hour later we reached our hotel. That's when the hotel owner told us that there has been some incident on the circle. I told him that I saw it and it looked like a normal accident. It's was him who told us what exactly was going on. The taxi guys had started breaking the private cars and it had escalated into a mini protest with stone pelting and stuff. To be honest I swear I thought he meant private cars as in the local private cars. It was only later through social media I understood that private cars means the outsiders coming in private cars!!
That was our last day in leh and beyond tht we didn't really notice any further issues until we entered himachal
But I must tell you that the problem is probably only in the Leh city. Because we saw tons of private cars AND self driven Zoom cars on way to Nubra, Pangong, khardungla etc. But didn't see any issue/checking etc anywhere.
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Here's another travellers harrowing account from July 22nd. Disappointingly even veterans like HV Kumar are reporting that 'all is well' in Ladakh whilst the true story is far from it. It only takes 1 such incident to spoil a holiday/ damage vehicles/ endanger life and statistics are of little use for those affected. 2015 is certainly not the time to visit Ladakh for a relaxing holiday.

https://www.facebook.com/samyukta.ba...54036973914746
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Read the post from Sanjukta Basu. What I could make out is that there is a split amongst the drivers themselves. Read about the 40-50 men coming from Sumoor village and chasing away the strikers from Disket. The police also tried their best, by sending a police man to escort the tourists who have got stuck. To be frank, I have seen similar incidents happening when a bandh/strike/harthal is officially announced. The people who called for the bandh would try to ensure people keep away from the roads; because or else their strike is deemed a failure.

The last time I drove down to Kerala, I was a non-voluntary participant for a strike (between 1100hrs to 1300hrs) against the fuel price increase by the Central Government (when the State Government had also raised the fuel prices earlier). The location was at a small town in Palakkad Dt. The strikers just forced all vehicles to stop going forward. Not a single police man available on the spot, when I knew that there were at least three Highway Mobiles who operate in that area. Mysteriously (or as per a plan), police men arrived at around 1215hrs, the strikers just thinned out and normalcy was restored by around 1245hrs. There seems to be a tacit understanding with all parties involved (except the non-local vehicle drivers).The strike was declared as a massive success the next day by all in the media.

NOTE: I am not relating this incident with the original incident mentioned in this thread. That is of non-local vehicles getting ambushed by small gangs and vehicles getting damaged.
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An article in Times of India blog. I am posting it here as I do not want to create a separate thread for an article talking about commercialization in Ladakh.

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes...uty-the-beast/

Hopefully, this is a new article - not yet shared!
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An article in Times of India blog. I am posting it here as I do not want to create a separate thread for an article talking about commercialization in Ladakh.
The article is new, but I also did find some fundamental mistakes in the way things get reported. Infact, I would compare this report to the way a Bangalore Mirror reporter reported the situation on the railway lines at DudhSagar Falls.

Let us look at the the report shared here.
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This month, a video by an auto website (Teambhp) showed locals attacking a private vehicle of the website team with large stones. The website claims an entire convoy was attacked by the taxi union, with photos showing damage to the cars.
The web-site (Team-BHP) has claimed nothing. It is the individual members in the forum who wrote a post about the situation they faced in at Leh-Ladakh. The reporter needs to check if the convoy was an "official(?)" representation from the web site, or regular tourists.

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To top it all, while metros head towards 4G networks, even basic 3G is not available in the capital Leh. Internet trudges along like it’s still 1995
What does the reporter expect? That Leh be made into a very modern, cosmopolitan city (like Bengaluru - I am sure people would like it ) with 4G connectivity, free Wi-Fi and every thing else? If these are basic requirements, what is the fun in going to Leh. It would soon become another Koramangala or BTM layout, where we have lots "paying guest" accommodation which gives this luxury - i.e WiFi and 4G connectivity. Leh, is still a border area of India, the local people would find it a gift to even have a mobile phone with basic calling facility. Where as the tourists are expecting this to be the next Ooty or Kodaikanal. It is these sort of tourists who are screwing up things further.

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I found another minor problem here. Ladakh has dry days for non-vegetarian food. Yes, you read that right. In what seems to be another mode of high-handedness, restaurants and hotels aren’t allowed to serve non-veg dishes on Buddhist festivals. Can you do without non-veg? Yes. But when you’re visiting a new place, a lot of foodies want to try the local cuisine, some of which may be non-vegetarian.
I wanted to know if the tourist wanted to go there as a "conqueror" (a king who has defeated the people at Leh), or as a tourist who went to the place to adjust and understand the place better. Good tourists ideally adjust to the place of visit, rather than expecting the locals to adjust to the tourists. A few places may exist in the world, where locals bend over backwards to accommodate the tourists. So if a tourist is such a hard-core non-vegetarian plan the trip so much so that the trip does not happen entirely on local Buddhist festival days. If you want to try local cuisine, then plan it with the local population.

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Apparently, the best way to spread news about a peaceful religion like Buddhism is by violence.
Peaceful does not mean bending over backwards and tolerate any non-sense!! Do the reporter think that Budhist being a non-violent person, would just tolerate any non-sense (including insult, mis-behaving with women etc. etc.). There are some universal policies when it comes to tolerance.

I am sorry, if these are the kinds of "tourists" which Leh, Ladakh is getting these days I would naturally support the localites. A tourist has to go to a place with a positive outlook. He should be sensible to the local culture, traditions and show an inclination and adjust to that. This is just adding to my over-all impression. A non-Indian tourist generally is much more knowledgeable and sensible to the local culture & traditions than the average Indian tourist. To be frank, A German tourist had come to my local temple festival, and also visited my home (as it is close by, and I could speak English) did not mind trying out the homely food (no non-veg, no liquor, no cutlery) cooked at my home. I have a doubt that any of these Indian "tourists" cruising on their SUVs would even think of doing the same. They would just check the "traditional food" of Kerala, and start demanding that at every place they stop for food (fully ignoring the local sensibilities, or whether the family helping you out has any restrictions on the food they serve).

To summarize: When my friends and me did the circuit on Delhi-Sri Nagar-Leh-Manali 10 years back, all we tried to ensure was a safe journey (especially in Kashmir Valley), very basic accommodation (clean toilets was the best luxury), and edible food (be it Ladakhi, Kashmiri or the typical North Indian menu). The whole purpose of the trip was NOT to give updates on WhatsApp,Facebook etc. every hour, or to insist on specific food items to be made available at our orders & command. Mobile phones we had, were more like paper weights after we left Sri Nagar. Leh had a very basic infrastructure for internet. But the whole point was to drive around, without getting those numerous calls on mobile and browsing the internet.

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I was hoping that this forum would highlight the un-savory representations made by the reporter. I personally find dry days (be it Alcohol or Non-veg food) especially in light of religious considerations acceptable. But then I consume neither (!!) and hence my opinion is a moot point.

I hope the tourist population in general, are not of the regressive view as portrayed by the reporter.

Regarding "Teambhp" name in this article and others, I think this forum's name was probably caught in the offing as a comment to one of the videos or a post in FB. This just shows the kind of due diligence being conducted by the 'news people' before publishing.

But atleast the idea that Leh may not be as noble a region these days (due to slef-centered actions of a few) is fast catching up. Hopefully, some result may come of it.

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I hope the tourist population in general, are not of the regressive view as portrayed by the reporter.
This is from the Times of India blog, so it does not classify as a news report. Nor is the writer a reporter. Also, it is from the house of Times, so don't expect factual accuracy in anything that they dish out
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I can feel the pain of victims. It reminds me GOA`s Taxi Union strike of Feb`14. I was with my 60+ aged parents & 10 month old sick infant surrounded by taxi mafia goons. They forced us to walk 2.5 Kms in a sunny day to catch some local bus to reach Dabolim Goa International Airport. Nobody even locals didn`t helped us because of these mafia`s fear. They threaten and followed us whole 2.5 Km so that nobody may help us.
Taxi strike in Goa may hit tourists badly
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/30906131.cms

Tourists stranded as taxis go off road in Goa
http://www.mid-day.com/articles/tour...n-goa/15118065

But at the end what i concluded nobody cares. World is still going to enjoy charm of party capital of India. I can sense the same with Leh because at the end nobody cares & everyone is attracted to reach the charm.
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Dear Friends,

We have received the draft of the PIL from our lawyer and we now have to add the details about the incident which should be done in 3-4 days.

We are all set the file it next week if everything falls in line.

Waseem Memon
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A colleague of mine was in Ladakh at the time of incident and Bandh. He and his friends were on a self driven Zoom Innova. They were well aware of self driven cars not allowed to popular tourist destination like Pangong and Khardung La. They abided and used Taxi/Bike rentals. Their return route was Leh - Sarchu - Manali. They were stuck in Sarchu for a day and half due to a bridge collapse and had to return back to Leh. That was the day of the Bandh. They had very tense moments due to their car being from Zoom. Due to the lost time, they decided to return via flight. A friends driver was to be flown in to Leh that day and he would drive back the Zoom to Delhi. The day was filled with News of attacks and were warned that the Taxi Union will destroy their Zoom car if seen. They too heard news about private cars being destroyed. Until the driver from Delhi came, they wanted the car to be safe, hence they drove into the police station for some protection to the car. Police refused to help and were turned away. They just wanted to get out of Leh and am sure no one would like to have a holiday like this. He finally said, Zoom or private car, it can be an issue in Ladakh!

Note: My friends group did not have any interactions with Taxi union nor anyone threatened them (because they were prepared and did not venture out to tourist locations). At Manali and Rohtang however, several times lot of people warned them of imposing dangers in Leh and asked them to stick to the highway strictly!
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Dear Friends,

We have received the draft of the PIL from our lawyer and we now have to add the details about the incident which should be done in 3-4 days.

We are all set the file it next week if everything falls in line.

Waseem Memon
Thats great ongoing. Sir, do let us know for any constructive activity. Offenders should be penalized seriously. It is the movement of independence against taxi mafia and their ideology. We have the right to move freely and explore terrain on our own.
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I spoke to a few Ladakhis I had met during my last trip- our taxi driver, hotel manager and our guide.

For what it's worth, this is what I gathered from the conversation,

1) the influx of self driven cars was more than 500-600 per season. This used to take away a major chunk of their earnings, and hence the decision to ban them. Even after the ban, rental cars from surrounding and nearby states used to sneak in under the disguise of self owned ones. Hence, the decision of absolute ban.
2) its safe to travel in self owned cars. The papers will definitely be checked and as long as owner and driver tally, you won't be bothered.
3) the car convoy attack was an isolated incident.
4) Delhi cars are at more risk. The risk is there even if its a self owned car. They seem to have developed some sort of animosity towards the Delhi crowd.
5) keep a low profile and be friendly, nothing will happen to you.

All three, independently, had the same things to say.

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I can feel the pain of victims. It reminds me GOA`s Taxi Union strike of Feb`14. I was with my 60+ aged parents & 10 month old sick infant surrounded by taxi mafia goons. They forced us to walk 2.5 Kms in a sunny day to catch some local bus to reach Dabolim Goa International Airport. Nobody even locals didn`t helped us because of these mafia`s fear. They threaten and followed us whole 2.5 Km so that nobody may help us.
Taxi strike in Goa may hit tourists badly
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/30906131.cms

Tourists stranded as taxis go off road in Goa
http://www.mid-day.com/articles/tour...n-goa/15118065

But at the end what i concluded nobody cares. World is still going to enjoy charm of party capital of India. I can sense the same with Leh because at the end nobody cares & everyone is attracted to reach the charm.
This is interesting. I would've thought that for someone with a baby, they'll have some humanity.

Sort of confirms my beliefs. Taxi union goons are normally the worst douchebags in any community (just as the taxi drivers in uttarakhand drive like absolute idiots, esp in areas of impending jam/landslides, while the locals are so so nice!)
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