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Old 24th September 2007, 14:12   #61
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Its self-defeating blaming just the driver for such an incident. I'm sure in hindsight, he would have wished he were driving slower there. And obviously he's not going to repeat the same mistake again. But, the other equally, if not more important contributor - the tyres, cannot be brushed under the rug. And unlike the driver where he wouldnt be repeating the same mistake twice, Maruti has repeated it millions of times in all the Swifts sold and those that will continue to sell. Whats to be said abt that? Or is there a way Maruti can be forced to provide safer tyres on this car?
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Old 24th September 2007, 14:19   #62
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(Yes, there's a moron less on the streets!)
I respect you for that, d_himan.

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I think though that there is an urgent need for emergency handling/driving improvement/defensive driving specialist driving schools.
And for this too.

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1. Yes, I've learnt to respect my car's limits. Its very easy to get carried away, and without proper true-to-life practical training, its not easy to handle emergencies.

2. Dont think I'm a monster-on-wheels adrenalin junkie. So, focusing totally on my 'manic' tendencies might shift attention away from an important point I want to make (read 3)

3. Sorry, the Swift VXi is undertyred for its engine-chassis combo. And I dont subscribe to the theory that only higher end versions should have safer tyres.

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Well, yes, yes, and no. That is my instant 'gut-feel'.
These are all debatable issues. What is paramount to remember is that a LOT of accidents did not happen to 'the wicked' or 'the evil' people. They are, by definition, accidents. The outcomes are sometimes horrendous and 'stay' with you for life. It is far better to err on the side of caution than an adrenalin rush (which is like A Momentary Lapse Of Reason) (Yes I'm a Pink Floyd junkie!).
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Old 24th September 2007, 14:36   #63
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Indian car companies will provide what the Indian customer is prepared to pay for, as per the points in the current airbag thread (Why do Indian car manufacturers skimp on airbags?).

As a boring old middle-ager even, I cannot say that I do not do stuff on the road that, with hind-sight, I should not have done, or that I am never unnecessarily aggressive (Oh! How Chennai brings out the worst in me sometimes!). All that is down to me, and I hope and pray that nobody else suffers from my occasional foolishness.

However, there are times for all of us when we end up in potential trouble, by mistake, or the unforseen. I would agree that our cars should have something in reserve for us, whether it is in grip, braking, acceleration or what. Of course, if we are already driving at the limit, then we can't blame the manufacturer for not giving more.

We talked in that airbag thread (Why do Indian car manufacturers skimp on airbags?) about why the Indian customer won't pay for safety features. Same thing applies to that extra bit of rubber on the tires. In many other countries, safety features can be a main selling point for a car. Here people won't pay for what they can't see, and never stop to imagine that they might need one day.

Many BHPians do not think like this: hopefully, the wisdom will spread!
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We talked in that airbag thread (Why do Indian car manufacturers skimp on airbags?) about why the Indian customer won't pay for safety features. Same thing applies to that extra bit of rubber on the tires. In many other countries, safety features can be a main selling point for a car. Here people won't pay for what they can't see, and never stop to imagine that they might need one day.
I believe it is a well documented path. We are headed toward it. With increasing GDP, a booming economy et all, all this is just 'a next step'. It will come sooner rather than later. (We hope)!
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As I just mentioned in that thread... fascinating, having just said all that, to see just afterwards an advert from Hyundai making a big thing of its cars meeting European and USA safety requirements!

Let's hope it is coming sooner
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completely off topic: and hope Mr TEG takes it in the right spirit, but your handle sounds like "thada gina thom" as in a sound made by an indian classical instrument percussion rather

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it certainly could be deemed to sound that way

That should, by the way, be Tha Dhi Ghi Na Thom.

Damn, Blown my cover!
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2. Yessir.Thin tyres = Better Efficiency=otrocious cornering manners. I've learnt it the hard way. Just find it unfortunate that nothing remotely similar happened in any of the cars I've owned and driven earlier (Zen Vxi, Accent GLS, Ikon 1.6 Sxi) when I was younger and 'brasher'. I still say though, that the Swift VXi is undertyred. The squeals are noticeable and embarassing and are underqualified for the peppy engine-agile chassis combination of the Swift.

Is it entirely my fault? Yes. Is the manufacturer entirely not at fault? Don't think so. You don't give a 88 BHP engine and bad tyres - do so for the 50 BHP cars. And Zxi buyers are getting enough goodies for the price - not throwing in similar 185/70 tyres on the Vxi or LXi is a below-the-belt hit.

3. Sorry, the Swift VXi is undertyred for its engine-chassis combo. And I dont subscribe to the theory that only higher end versions should have safer tyres.

Himan - I agree with you on most points inlcuding the under-tyreing of cars sold in India but very few people really consider that as a factor. I know of many incidents that could have been avoided if only we/our companies had not scrimped on the rubber front.

However, you as a consumer have a solution, and that is to fit correctly sized tyres for your car to ensure that you do not face such problems. And trust me on this, it costs much less to fit good tyres than to get an accidental car fixed.

And as for the manufacturers, if you discount the Vitara, Swift ZXi & the SX4 all the cars have always been under-tyred. If today they offer decent sized footwear it's because of the competition in the market. So, for the time to come don't expect any wonders from them.

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Hi Himan, are you referring to the War-Memorial round-about ? Your Swift spun there at 80 kmph ? If it did, the Swift's handling is even more pathetic than I'd perceived. Had a tank-slapper on the ECR a few weeks ago when some truant cattle trespassed onto the carriageway while I was heading towards Pondicherry at around 100 kmph, in a Swift. That car does not stop & steer as admirably as it gets up to speed.
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Bingo! The war memorial it was - I was accelerating in third and maybe, (its a bit hazy..)there was some water lying around. Like I said, such a breezy corner - I was totally unprepared for the car's reaction...

A few months ago, when the odo was at 2500 Km, I did the ECR stretch at good speeds - wasn't bad at all - reckon the treads then were way too fresh to act up this way.
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What a video and what awesome car controls!! (I wouldn't do it in a hundred years but it is awesome nonetheless)
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ive got a swift zxi,2005. i foun the stock tires to be pretty good.loads of grip and wider than most c-segment cars too.
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it certainly could be deemed to sound that way

That should, by the way, be Tha Dhi Ghi Na Thom.

Damn, Blown my cover!
So you are some kind of a percussion master then :-)
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So you are some kind of a percussion master then :-)
There!! You lie completely exposed!
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I had a very very similar incident a few months ago and i had created a thread

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/street...oad-swift.html (Lost Control on road in Swift)

This was my worst driving incident so far and pray that it would remain that way. Luckily i didn't hurt anyone, nor myself nor my car.

Whom do i blame after a lot of analyzing
NUMBER 1 - The driver that was me.
2- Maruti for providing world class crap tyres

Well i had over-estimated my car, but the sad fact is that to know the limit of ur car, u'll have to face a life threatening incident like these, which d_himan and i have faced. So u can imagine, everyone who purchases a Swift, doesn't decide on buying the Swift rather the Alto because of its 4 door speaker system, but mainly because of the power and speed it provides. So everyone who buys it for the power and speed would might eventually learn what i have learned it the hard way.

Just like u d_himan, i was positive i could negotiate the overtaking and turn, and i did, but ended up fish-tailing.

I lost my confidence in driving since that day, i used to negotiate overtaking and turns wonderfully b4 that incident, now i hesitate, which usually leaves a trail of vehicles honking behind me.
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