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Old 5th December 2007, 16:15   #91
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sorry to sound rude but i strongly feel you could have avoided going through the gap and subsequently would have avoided the same.
You are 100% right. And nothing rude about it.

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If instead of being in 3rd gear at 130kmph, supposing I was in 4th or 5th gear (you know, typical highway cruise and you swerve to avoid something) and everything else remaining the same, would the result have been any different ?
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Query for the experts :
If instead of being in 3rd gear at 130kmph, supposing I was in 4th or 5th gear (you know, typical highway cruise and you swerve to avoid something) and everything else remaining the same, would the result have been any different ?
Not a high speed specialist or expert, nor have I done "track" days but I don't think the result would have been any better, probably worse
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You are 100% right. And nothing rude about it.

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If instead of being in 3rd gear at 130kmph, supposing I was in 4th or 5th gear (you know, typical highway cruise and you swerve to avoid something) and everything else remaining the same, would the result have been any different ?
You bet your life on it... As you go up in gear, the engine-transmission train is much lighter and gives lesser resistancewhen you take your foot of the gas pedal, which means you rely only on braking. Its like almost floating in 5th gear, while on 3rd gear, the car has better inertia which dampens the forces due to swerving.
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If instead of being in 3rd gear at 130kmph, supposing I was in 4th or 5th gear (you know, typical highway cruise and you swerve to avoid something) and everything else remaining the same, would the result have been any different ?
Yes, it does make a diff. Driving in a higher gear tends to reduce engine braking which lets the front end of the car understeer more than it would in a lower gear, at the same cornering speed (considering that you corner without throttle on a FWD).

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Thanks for sharing this with us SB. Already a couple of people have made their resolutions to drive more sensibily or not to go after top speeds. I think that is enough reward for this thread.

As SB explained beautifully, we learn a lot of things from our own experience and sensible driving is not always about speed. It is also how familiar you are with the road, with the general traffic conditions at that time, with your own vehicle. Being able to anticipate the behaviour of other drivers definitely helps. We make our decisions (brake or swerve etc.) on facts and assumptions. Sometimes they go wrong. We have to learn from that and move on and in the process become better drivers.

Accidents happen even in controlled environments - every machine has their limitation. No one can really understand or measure the fatigue that your vehicle builds up and when something could break-down.
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If instead of being in 3rd gear at 130kmph, supposing I was in 4th or 5th gear (you know, typical highway cruise and you swerve to avoid something) and everything else remaining the same, would the result have been any different ?
I am no expert but have come across such situations a lot of time. And most of the time my quick thinking has helped.

I will take the example of the Esteem here. I have driven this car extensively both on city roads and highways. One of the good handling cars in that segement. Good brakes but bad tyres. I never changed the stock one's and stuck to the same brand and size whenever i had to change.

If you are at high speeds - 120+, swerving to avoid an object which pops up right infront of you is disastrous, you will flick the car over if you turn the steering even half lock. With powersteering this is very much possible. I know its the general tendency to do that. Only thing to do is to stamp on the brakes and hold the steering as tight as possible and pray.
Solution: Avoid high speeds on our highways you never know what will happen. Stick to a healthy crusing speed. I never go over 100kph on my constant highway trips. A person touching 160+ probably reaches his destination an hour or so before you, i have always managed to reach in a good frame of mind and feeling much relaxed as compared to person who drove at 120+ kmph.

The thing to remember is never swerve your car when you are doing speeds which are on the higher side for that particular car. 120+ in a BMW is still manageable. 80+ in a Alto can get tricky. So it depends upon your car,tyres, brakes, how much load you are carrying and a big part is played by the surface you are on. Too many factors to consider and speed up to reach some place 60 mins early.

If you are still doing 120+ and you see that there is going to be a change in the traffic or road conditions infront. Take the foot off the accelerater, and on to the brake, let the friction slow you down. once you are in the safe zone with the speed you can control the car much better.

In SupremeBaleno's case he had to lift off, dab his brakes a bit, since he was in 3rd the car could have slowed down much more rapidly,get to below 100kph and then pass the traffic.

Its very difficult to come out of such situations without major harm unless you are really lucky. Try and avoid them. Thats why it is so important to have a well maintained car and a level head while driving. Driving in India needs a certain bit of patience and a keen eye.

Sar Salamat to Pagdi Hazar - If head is secure you can wear a thousand hats(old Indian saying)

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So it depends upon your car,tyres, brakes, how much load you are carrying and a big part is played by the surface you are on. Too many factors to consider
Sorry could not edit the actual post.

So even if you try and see "what will happen?" if i try this and discuss it with other folks so that they can avoid such situations is absurd. You might not have the same car, the same load, the same tyres, the same road surface. Nothing may be common between your car and supremebaleno's car so how are the rest of you learning anything? This is futile exercise and if you tried what he did in his car in the exact same situation your car may behave differently. So what do you learn?
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If they read my thread and then retrace the exact steps I did with their car, the purpose is defeated. But I am sure none of them is going to do that - infact many have decided to slow down after reading this.

Coming to what they can learn : Even if they learn that whatever car they are driving, a quick lane-change at high-speeds poses considerable risk, don't you think that is enough lesson learnt ? I surely would.

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If they read my thread and then retrace the exact steps I did with their car, the purpose is defeated. But I am sure none of them is going to do that - infact many have decided to slow down after reading this.
Yes very heartning to see, our small spat has actually helped a lot of people see otherwise.

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Coming to what they can learn : Even if they learn that whatever car they are driving, a quick lane-change at high-speeds poses considerable risk, don't you think that is enough lesson learnt ? I surely would.
You need to "LEARN" that a quick lane-change at high speeds is a risk - i am lost for words here dude.
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So even if you try and see "what will happen?" if i try this and discuss it with other folks so that they can avoid such situations is absurd. You might not have the same car, the same load, the same tyres, the same road surface. Nothing may be common between your car and supremebaleno's car so how are the rest of you learning anything? This is futile exercise and if you tried what he did in his car in the exact same situation your car may behave differently. So what do you learn?
Then why do you guys keep saying that 160 on indian roads is not safe? A guy who owns a sports car can go from 160-0 even before an OHC, Baleno goes from 100-0. So how is 160 not a safe speed for him?

And if everyone's car is diff, how is high speed driving dangerous? Maybe Mclaren's baleno which has a stiffer suspension and broader tyres can easily handle speeds of over 130kmph. What is anybody learning from your statements on high speed driving?

You are never gonna experience the exact same driving conditions twice. But reading our experiences will surely help people take precautionary measures when they drive on highways.

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good to know that you came through safe, you can thank the almighty for that. Butttt what were you thinking man ?? you have said it yourself that your baleno has bicycle tyres. Maybe you are feeling too lonely.

Shifting down would have helped your breaking, but certainly not in a car that was swaying side to side.
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Balenos stock tyres are really risky for high speeds, i advice you put on atleast 185mm width tyres.

Thanks for sharing it with us SB, maybe some tyre has less pressure or so?
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SupremeBaleno had a *****-in-the-mouth experience, which he decided to tell us, hoping to find what exactly was the cause and hope that others would learn something out of it. He could easily have kept quite about the whole thing and the sermon givers would not have had a field day.

As I see it, this is an enthusiasts forum and many(if not all) members are spirited drivers. So some of us may have such experiences, at times. Everybody commits mistakes. Some try to learn from it. I don't understand some of the people showing a holier-than-thou attitude. SB wasn't looking for any accolades for his escapade, was he?

It is good if everyone stays within his/car's limits, but one may occasionally overstep, in trying to push the envelope. The lessons learnt, is what matters.
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Nobody said they're holy here.

if you read the postings, you can see that the thread DID NOT stop at the Lesson Learnt section. It continued to "What mods can be done to do this safely (for you) next time....again on Public Roads?"...even comparing pace notes of their adventures.

To me it's the same as encouraging speeding on public roads. Sorry, that's my view.

I'm also an enthusiast like you. But I'm against showing off my driving skills on public roads where another innocent person could get invloved. Even Loeb / Gronholm would agree to that.
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Expect the Unexpected... Everytime you are behind the wheel...
That must be the basic mantra when you start your machine under your command, every morning...
That's the lesson we all get to learn from this thread and I think both preachers and practials shall equally draw their portion of dosage (...read advise) from the postings.

It could happen to you... Whether you are on public road or a race track, anything could go wrong... (Why cars go up in pieces on race-tracks if they are built with such super advanced hi-tech components).
Public roads are more danegerous just coz, it could harm others too...
Let us learn and move on.
Next time the adrenalin gets pumped please remember this 'near-miss' incident...
Also dear members, please post such 'near-misses' for members benefits...

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