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Old 2nd January 2008, 17:24   #16
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Pepper Spray Thanks for the tips guys. One importanat thing to keep in mind is to "keep our temper down and to keep our heads cool". If that is in control, we will be in a better position to get away from the mess. The guys who take on you generally come psychologically preprared to fight (and kill if need be), so we will be on our backfoot to start with.

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Old 2nd January 2008, 17:33   #17
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It was holi in 2005. I am driving with my wife in a petrol Accent to Guntur from Hyderabad on the National Highway .

I see a group of 20 ~ 30 people throwing holi powder on the passing by vehicles.
They have blocked a truck and I get on to the right hand side lane.
I am not stopping.
but don't have a choice as they have blocked the entire way.
I honk and try to pass.
They are intent on creating trouble.
They realise I am getting thru and so they lift the car's front up.
I don't accelarate anymore.
My worry is that they might suddenly drop the front and I will drive right into them.

My defense is keeping my wife calm and not doing or saying anything.
I am not displaying any emotion at all.
Just looking at them but now I have the car in reverse gear.
I look at the truck and realise that he is backing up.
My car tires touch the road and I race back.
The gap created between these idiots and the truck is enough to get me thru.

One of them flings a stone, cracking the rear light assembly.
but I am off.

A km or two away I see a similar crowd around a dead kid on the road.
Was this kid knocked down by a victim of these guys who was now going tooo fast.

keep your cool with you all the time.
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Old 2nd January 2008, 17:46   #18
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I bought a can of pepper Spray for a friend working in the night shift at a BPO.

It is available at all Health and Glow shops. And there are so many of them. It is pretty easy to buy one.

It is expensive though. Rs500/- Of course, if it saves your life or dignity one day, you wouldnt care.
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Old 2nd January 2008, 18:45   #19
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I do have a pepper spray in my car. Corolla has a small compartment next to the steering wheel as if it is made for the spray!!

I was **** scared when surrounded by four bikers when returning from Forum after a late night movie. Apparently they were harmless dudes, but the fact that I was surrounded by bikes gave me a scare. Next thing, bought a pepper spray and kept it in the car. Never had to use it in the last two years and I hope it stays that way.

But yes, all lethal weapons can be used against you yourself and not advisible.

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Old 2nd January 2008, 20:08   #20
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5) You might be a 7 foot, 350 pound monster, but dont think you cant be put down. Carry a pepper spray with you in the car, always. They are available at health and glow stores all over the country.
As mentioned earlier, they are available in "health and glow" stores accross India. If you are wondering what pepper spray is, please see the below excerpts (found after googling around)a.

Pepper spray, oleoresin capsicum (OC), is a natural substance derived from the oily resins found in cayenne and other varieties of pepper. Contact with OC in a sprayed mist induces an immediate and intense burning sensation of the skin but especially impacts the eyes causing them to slam shut, burn, tear, swell. Also, the mucous membranes of the nose, throat, and sinuses burn, swell and make breathing difficult. In fact, even though tear gas is fairly nasty, it does not have the same inflammation and swelling effects of OC. Plus OC will not degrade over time like tear gas. People under the influence of drugs or who are otherwise oblivious to pain may be able to keep their eyes open when sprayed with tear gas but not so with OC. When sprayed in the eyes, the eyes will involuntarily slam shut whether they feel pain or not. This temporary blindness causes fear and disorientation allowing you to escape and get help.

Two things about it that you should remember

1) DO NOT TRY THIS OUT FOR THE HECK OF IT. if you spray this in a room, you will not be able to enter it for the next 3 hours easily.

2) People who under the influnce of alcohol will take longer to feel the effect, so put in a second spurt of spray to keep the effect longer.

While on the subject, AFAIK, Stun guns/tasers are illegal in India.
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knife/ weapons in your car.
try explaining that to the cop who finds it during some routine patrolling.
Thats where a baseball bat, a cricket bat or a spanner serves the purpose. Now imagine a cop asking one to join him for a game of cricket.
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Thats where a baseball bat, a cricket bat or a spanner serves the purpose. Now imagine a cop asking one to join him for a game of cricket.
I seriously think a weapon is a weapon and a spray is a spray.A surprise attack with a pepper spray on a single person will work but when many people are there a whack on the head with a wheel spanner is enough to take him down.
Yeah offcourse if u have the wheel spanner u need to learn how to use it too but then same goes with the pepper spray na.If the attacker get the pepper spray in his hand you are in the same position as if he gets the wheel spanner in his hand.
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always be on the lookout for trouble, doesnt have to be holi, christmas or new year. best advice anyone can give , is to stay in the car. broken glass can be repaired.

always plan an escape route. if there is a wall of people in front, stop a good distance away, observe what they are doing. if there is a clear way forward, approach cautiously, all the while making sure that there is an opportunity to turn and run.

if there is no path through, its best to go offroad, or turn around.

A reverse 180 turn would be a useful skill to have., so is a handbrake turn,(please practise in a deserted playground)

using a weapon never works out right. pepper spray is a better option.

using the car as a battering ram is only the last, lifesaving/family saving option. be prepared for manslaughter/homicide/grievous bodily harm charges.

never let the vehicle stop when danger is present. its should be inching forward or backward all the time while you are looking for a way out. the rolling start will be useful in getting away quicker.

on a deserted road,area, the options for escape are usually greater.
in a mob situation, keep the vehicle well away from the mob. the trick is to spot the trouble brewing and stop your vehicle at a good distance away from them.
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Old 3rd January 2008, 10:24   #24
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Agreed that in the Car you are far more safe than outside.

However.. can anybody shed light on the safety aspects of the car? I mean is it possible to break the window glass with a heavy object? Are there any other weak-spots in a car we need to be aware of?
I'm not talking about any particular model.. just a typical car.
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Old 3rd January 2008, 11:00   #25
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There is a lot that can be done to stop a Car.

But thats only if the mob is organised and prepared to seriously harm you.

and about breaking glass with a stone, yes very much possible as the window glass is not laminated (atleast not as much as the windscreen).

unless you are in a Car geared up for Riot control or with bullet proofing done, stay away from trouble and be aware of whats going on.
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Also watch your tyres. If they manage to deflate them, you're done.

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Old 4th January 2008, 15:14   #27
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I bought a couple. One for home and one for my sis. Specially looking at the way the cities are heading.
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Old 14th January 2008, 18:07   #28
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k36 - From personal experience of having been in a mugging (my car hit a bike suddenly put in front of me to cause an accident - by people wanting to then extort money !!!) ...the car Ford Ikon(my own - now sold) I was in was pretty tough. Here are my observations:
  • The door panels withstood kicking (no dents at all) and the glass when fully rolled up didnt break/crack from kicks and blows by hands of several people. It did sound bad - but was OK !
  • When the windows are rolled down they lose their strength and can be broken by a person pulling on it when just a 1/4 way down (experienced first hand) !
  • Bumpers will invariably come loose if you hit anything solid as they are plastic and the wheel mudguards as well will scrape on the ground. This may affect your escape plans. Also if your fenders are damaged enough to cut your tires you are in trouble.
  • Depending on what you hit your radiator may be damaged(in a head on) and your car may overheat soon and become undrivable- keep this in mind if you are driving in a lonely part of town and are trying to outrun someone.
  • You are pretty safe when in the vehicle and max you will get punched in the face and shoulder area. It is better to use your hands to protect your face/self as you will not have room when in the car to fight back.
  • Pepper spray may be nice to have when facing a single or multiple attacker but will be of no use in a mob scene - good driving skills and presence of mind are the only things you can rely on to stay safe. At least a quarter tank of fuel is mandatory as well !!!
All in all I agree with not stopping until you get to the police, and away from the mob - but God help you when you finally get to them as they are as bad as common criminals. Will post a detailed one on my bad experience later sometime which lead me to write the above ....its close to a year anniversary now !
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  • Pepper spray may be nice to have when facing a single or multiple attacker but will be of no use in a mob scene - good driving skills and presence of mind are the only things you can rely on to stay safe. At least a quarter tank of fuel is mandatory as well !!!
How about using very diluted nitric acid in a aluminum spray can? Aluminum can withstand nitric acid, and the acid would be pretty useful as a last ditch defence spray!
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How about using very diluted nitric acid in a aluminum spray can? Aluminum can withstand nitric acid, and the acid would be pretty useful as a last ditch defence spray!
Terrible Idea, won't that cause permanent damage unlike pepper spray? You can be arrested for using acid where as pepper spray is approved by cops as a self-defence item.
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