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Old 29th December 2008, 17:35   #76
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Its no brainer that the kid took a wrong choice and he has paid the penalty for it. There is no point talking of "Ifs & Buts" today's world is such a tense place that it can ill afford the "Ifs & Buts" in most cases.
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And it has happened many a times.

People trying to get away from cops and killing themselves. It comes down to commonsense.

They are cops they have all the right to chase you; you unfortunately dont have any right to run away and then say you are innocent because you thought the cop is corrupt or will harass you.

They have an authority to stop you.

Now the cop chase and the army shooting the guy are totally 2 different issues neither are connected to each other.

For the cops they got the bike, they could have found him and arrested/penalised him.

For the army he was an intruder who didnt heed their warnings or their requests to surrender.
a guy doing wheelies and you almost getting mugged are two different issues.
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a guy doing wheelies and you almost getting mugged are two different issues.
Where has he said that it is the same issue? He was only mentioning it as a reference to police patrolling in the nights.
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Nobody here is saying that people who do wheelies on public roads are muggers. What spitfire has mentioned is his experience some years back. He is only talking about police patrolling. That is all. Don't read more than what is written.
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a guy doing wheelies and you almost getting mugged are two different issues.
Vikram_d answered that. Thanks vikram_d.

I was talking about the security on that stretch. My bad i shouldnt have mentioned that.
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i am not questioning the authority of the cops , all i am saying is chasing a crazed racer /biker on the road is not the solution.

yes the the kid was stupid and that finally was the root cause of his death.

so may be i should pay a fine to spitfire and vikram d , since they are "patrolling " my posts on this thread.,lol

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i am not questioning the authority of the cops , all i am saying is chasing a crazed racer /biker on the road is not the solution.
Then what is the solution according to you?

For fines, a couple of beers will do just fine. What say Spitfire?
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For fines, a couple of beers will do just fine. What say Spitfire?
Let me know the place and time. Siddartha is driving
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Then what is the solution according to you?

For fines, a couple of beers will do just fine. What say Spitfire?
the solution? thats for the "authorities" to decide , all i can do is pay the fine , haha

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Why should the common man, who just wants to get to his destination safe and sound be made to suffer through those barricades, road humps and road blocks, just to prevent a few morons from hurting themselves?

Anyway, loss of life is always tragic. There is no point here in debating who was at fault.
getting hit by a police vehicle/ vehicle of offender during a chase is a better idea?
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Guys, this drag racing, its not just few enthusiasts testing their vehicles and having some fun. It is in fact an organised crime ! These guys are hard-core criminals who have least respect for human life, law, or police.

Couple of news items in todays DNA, Bangalore. Read on...

WHAT IS DRAG RACING?
It's about boys winning bets and girls

Drag races were earlier held near Jakkur road, but shifted to NICE road and Ring Roads where vehicular traffic is less, said Mahesh Patel, motor-sport enthusiast and go-carting champion.

In a drag race, vehicles are classified by various criteria, including the extent of modifications done to them.

Drag racing is all about betting and winning those bets using identical vehicles and performing various stunts. In a drag race, two vehicles are pitted against each other over a straight, measured distance - about half kilometers away from the starting point. A standard drag-racing event involves several classes and types, each competing with the other to reach the finishing line in the shortest time possible.

"Vehicles participating in drag-racing are special, as they are modified to be lighter and more powerful then they are in their standard form. The power increases depending on the modifications made to the endine," Patel said.

Drag-racings are normally organized on Friday and Saturday nights. The winner takes home anywhere between Rs. 15,000 to Rs. 25,000, a senior police officer said.

On the other hand, Bangalore boys do the wheelie to win bets as well as to impress girls. A wheelie is performed by lifting the front wheel of a motorcycle and riding it on its rear wheel over a stretch by maintaining the same speed. Lots of money is involved in betting related to wheelies.

During drag races in the city, the drivers and organisers keep an eye open for the men in khaki. The real adventure for the participants begins as soon as the police arrive.

The vehicles and the onlookers disappear into the night at the first sight of police. The police have been getting tough with the racers ever since a police officer was mowed down by a speeding car in 2006.


DRAG RACING KILLED THIS SUB-INSPECTOR

Police are yet to arrest the drag racer, who fatally knocked down traffic sub-inspector Arun Kumar at BRV junction on the night of March 19, 2006.

Police informed Kumar that a vehicle, participating in a drag race on MG Road, had sped through a barricade set up in front of Manipal Centre. Kumar was checking the passing vehicles when he saw the car, matching the description, speeding down Cubbon Road. Instead of stopping, the vehicle knocked him down. Kumar succumbed to severe head injuries.

The police, however, failed to note down the registration number of the killer vehicle. The driver is still absconding. A couple of months after the incident, the Goa police found the vehicle, a black scorpio, abandoned in that state.
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Not chasing is like an open invitation for all kind of traffic offences. For all you know, even if not chased the kid could have tried wheelies in the next intersection and caused a bad accident.
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Deepak, good summing up on Drag Racing. People here can now know what is at stake in these kind of racing now...
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getting hit by a police vehicle/ vehicle of offender during a chase is a better idea?
Letting a maniac go scot free is better? I wonder why you are saying that...
Dude, putting roadblocks is definitely not a solution. That kid was stupid and paid for it with his life. Blaming the police for this is like blaming the fence for killing the cow.

On a different note, why are people talking about drag racing here??
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Guys, this drag racing, its not just few enthusiasts testing their vehicles and having some fun. It is in fact an organised crime ! These guys are hard-core criminals who have least respect for human life, law, or police.

Couple of news items in todays DNA, Bangalore. Read on...

WHAT IS DRAG RACING?
It's about boys winning bets and girls

Drag races were earlier held near Jakkur road, but shifted to NICE road and Ring Roads where vehicular traffic is less, said Mahesh Patel, motor-sport enthusiast and go-carting champion.

In a drag race, vehicles are classified by various criteria, including the extent of modifications done to them.

Drag racing is all about betting and winning those bets using identical vehicles and performing various stunts. In a drag race, two vehicles are pitted against each other over a straight, measured distance - about half kilometers away from the starting point. A standard drag-racing event involves several classes and types, each competing with the other to reach the finishing line in the shortest time possible.

"Vehicles participating in drag-racing are special, as they are modified to be lighter and more powerful then they are in their standard form. The power increases depending on the modifications made to the endine," Patel said.

Drag-racings are normally organized on Friday and Saturday nights. The winner takes home anywhere between Rs. 15,000 to Rs. 25,000, a senior police officer said.

On the other hand, Bangalore boys do the wheelie to win bets as well as to impress girls. A wheelie is performed by lifting the front wheel of a motorcycle and riding it on its rear wheel over a stretch by maintaining the same speed. Lots of money is involved in betting related to wheelies.

During drag races in the city, the drivers and organisers keep an eye open for the men in khaki. The real adventure for the participants begins as soon as the police arrive.

The vehicles and the onlookers disappear into the night at the first sight of police. The police have been getting tough with the racers ever since a police officer was mowed down by a speeding car in 2006.


DRAG RACING KILLED THIS SUB-INSPECTOR

Police are yet to arrest the drag racer, who fatally knocked down traffic sub-inspector Arun Kumar at BRV junction on the night of March 19, 2006.

Police informed Kumar that a vehicle, participating in a drag race on MG Road, had sped through a barricade set up in front of Manipal Centre. Kumar was checking the passing vehicles when he saw the car, matching the description, speeding down Cubbon Road. Instead of stopping, the vehicle knocked him down. Kumar succumbed to severe head injuries.

The police, however, failed to note down the registration number of the killer vehicle. The driver is still absconding. A couple of months after the incident, the Goa police found the vehicle, a black scorpio, abandoned in that state.

I'm sorry to bust this bubble, but these so called senior police officers know two hoots about street racing. They have just watched F&F one too many times and think thats what happens in a everyday scenario. Money, betting etc. has been out of the Bangalore scene more than three years back. Those races were organised with full support from cops with upto Rs. 2k being paid per Hoysala- who themselves used to block traffic upto half an hour, and let the runs happen. All this stopped when seniors got a whiff of this and concerned officers were busted. Winners taking home 25k and all is long gone, I think these newspapers are quoting from their archives which are several years old.

And as far the "Drag racer killed Sub-inspector" story goes, I don't know if anyone can come to terms with the fact that a Scorpio was "drag-racing". Why can't it be any other rashly-driven under influence vehicle who wanted to dodge the cop to avoid paying a fine or doing an overnighter in the jail and mowed down the cop in his incapable state.

Giving this story the title of "What is drag racing" and providing these answers to the general pubic and officials, this media is just demeaning a sport which is already dead and buried in India. This is just writing its epitaph.
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If any T-Bhpian is involved in such activities, please listen to our police commissioner...

Drag racers, please spare our roads: CP

City police commissioner Shankar M Bidari, on Sunday, asked motorists to refrain from using public roads for drag racing.

"We have succeeded in keeping drag racers away from Raj Bhavan Road (Cubbon Road). Drag racers started moving within city limits after the Mysore-Bangalore Expressway (NICE Road) became a toll road. This is a dangerous trend. We ask parents to make sure that their wards don't use city roads for adventure sports," he said. The city's senior police officers, including additional police commissioners Praveen Sood and MR Pujar, held a meeting of officials to discuss how roads can be made safe from racers.

Bidari said city roads experience heavy traffic even late at night, with IT and BPO empoyees being ferried to their offices and back. "It is not safe to race on roads for fun even at night. We have to make our youth understand that city roads are not meant for racing. We want all road users to abide by the traffic police's directions," he added.

The commissioner is reportedly planning to launch a drive against drag racing on city roads by deploying special police teams. He will also request the judiciary to award stringent punishment to the offenders.


BE CAREFUL IN SENSITIVE AREAS

City police commissioner Shankar M Bidari warned citizens to refrain from entering restricted areas, especially places occupied by armed forces personnel. In the wake of the Mumbai terror attacks, entry to these places has been restricted and only people holding valid passes are being entertained, he said.

"The Sunday incident is a case in point. Whenever military guards stop you, you should obey in the same way as you would obey the police. This will save complications later on," Bidari pointed out.

Stating that police patrols are required to verify the antecedents of suspects, he said people should cooperate with them to ensure that the city remains safe from terror attacks.
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