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Old 19th October 2016, 12:13   #13006
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The last two evenings (peak hour 6PM traffic) at EC signal has been nothing short of hell.

Some reasons that I could think of:
1. With the TN-KA Kaveri issue now a thing of past, more vehicles are coming in
2. The entry points to service roads near Biocon and the one after that opposite a coffee day (while coming from Hosur side) have been closed and also the one at Veerasandra signal has been closed leading to all traffic being constrained to the main road
3. The police control the EC signal manually

for the point number 2, sometimes I feel that you should let people take service roads and alternate inside roads so that things move faster. Blocking entrance should be just for bigger vehicles and not all vehicles IMO. otherwise the load on the main road will be too much to handle.

For the point 3, I feel this is one major cause for Jams. when the signal are completely automatic, everything moves well because if turns red by time. When it is controlled manually, the 'human mind' always lets "one more vehicle" before turning the signal to red. this small delay when accumulates over time, builds up traffic on other lanes eventually leading to jams.
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I wish there was a left lane only marked for buses. No moving bus can overtake anyone else - everyone would automatically toe the line.
BMTC has different kinds of buses, each of them run at different speeds. The bus lane would be blocked by the slowest bus. Bus-lane is good idea but it will require at least dedicated 2 lanes.
PS: Many years back, few roads in Bangalore had dedicated auto lane (a pet project of then Police Commissioner). The slowest auto blocked the lane. So the other autos didn't enter the lane and the whole lane went un-used.
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The entire Bangalore is protesting against steel flyover from Chalukya circle to Hebbal. Surprising that hardly any mention of that in this thread.
Is the bridge required? Yes. In fact, instead of Chalukya Circle, the bridge has to start from Jayadeva to help South Bangalore residents.

The question is cost. The project is estimated to be 1800 crores for 6.5Km stretch (which is approx 275 Crores per Km).

In 2010, the BETL, for a stretch of 10Km costed around 880 crores, which is 88 crores per Km. So with 1800 crores, they can build 20 Km of elevated road. Silkboard to Jayadeva to Hebbal is exactly 20Km And this will ease the traffic between silk board junction and Jayadeva.
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For the point 3, I feel this is one major cause for Jams. when the signal are completely automatic, everything moves well because if turns red by time. When it is controlled manually, the 'human mind' always lets "one more vehicle" before turning the signal to red. this small delay when accumulates over time, builds up traffic on other lanes eventually leading to jams.
Totally agree on this. It happens a lot in the udipi garden signal at BTM too. Many a times I will be waiting for more than 5 minutes for the signal to be changed by the cop but the cop will wait till the last vehicle he could see with his eyes. I always think that that last vehicle rider to be lucky because of the cop on duty.
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The last two evenings (peak hour 6PM traffic) at EC signal has been nothing short of hell.
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2. The entry points to service roads near Biocon and the one after that opposite a coffee day (while coming from Hosur side) have been closed and also the one at Veerasandra signal has been closed leading to all traffic being constrained to the main road...

I don't understand the logic behind not allowing entry to service roads. It is also annoying to note that the entire highway traffic is stopped for providing entry from a side road to vehicles going into the city.

Why not allow the innermost lanes for making 'U' turns (most drivers are unable or unwilling to do this) without stopping traffic?

Traffic going towards Hosur can be stopped to allow vehicles to enter from the side road into the innermost lane without stopping traffic coming into Bangalore on the other two lanes.

Keeping in mind that the police want to collect hafta might give a clue as to why they want entry to the service lanes closed. There is no incentive to keep traffic flowing on the main highway for the police.

No penalty for obstructing all traffic and generally being a nuisance trying to illegally stop 'foreign' traffic to collect hafta.

I guess the media will not cover any issues 'outside' the City - I wonder what will make Bangalore Mirror or TOI focus their attention on the cops at these points and investigate what is going on.
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Jam Alert @ 7AM:

Coming from Mahadevpura towards 'More' flyover, an oil tanker had crashed onto the median towards the right. Expect traffic due to rubber-necks and keep to the middle and left lane.
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Coming to the question of whether to go for steel flyover or construct a new railway line from Devanahalli to KIA, here are 2 images.

The first image shows the route of Yesvantpur-Devanahalli passenger train. The second image shows in more detail the amount of space available to lay a new line which I think will be more cost effective and can handle far more passenger load compared to the roads.

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The steel flyover is getting constructed for the VVIPS so that they can reach airport in minimum time.
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Jam Alert @ 7AM:

Coming from Mahadevpura towards 'More' flyover, an oil tanker had crashed onto the median towards the right. Expect traffic due to rubber-necks and keep to the middle and left lane.


- This is the pic of the accident.
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Old 21st October 2016, 06:45   #13014
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The steel flyover is getting constructed for the VVIPS so that they can reach airport in minimum time.
As you have rightly pointed out, the steel flyover is going to be such a costly affair taking into consideration the delay as well. Not sure why the govt cannot work in tandem with SWR to lay a new railway line from Devanahalli to KIA.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...ot-viable.html

SWR is OK to the proposal but the govt is against it.
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This truck accident was bound to happen. This accident is not the first of its kind on this stretch and it will not be the last. Whoever designed those flyovers on the ORR with exit on the fast lane should be hanged! Absolute zero knowledge of road rules. Forget road rules, not even basic common sense.

For a second if I give them the benefit of doubt that they do not know the fastlane and slowlane concept, how the hell is an exit on the right side useful when you have to anyway construct one on the left as well. Instead, if the flyovers are on the centre, both exit lanes on the right and left could have been combined for a wider exit/service one.

I cannot think of even one perceived advantage of exits on the fast lane side. This is not a lego set where you can rebuild if something goes wrong. How I wish they could think of this before making it in steel and concrete

All these civil engineers would've passed out of their engineering college by chance/luck/bribe and then got hold of such contracts again by bribe/influence/politics and enjoying life with loads of money. How are they bothered by what happens to the people who drive on those roads.

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As you have rightly pointed out, the steel flyover is going to be such a costly affair taking into consideration the delay as well.
It is a costly project and that why the Government wants it. They don't see a flyover in this project; they see moneybags!

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Not sure why the govt cannot work in tandem with SWR to lay a new railway line from Devanahalli to KIA.
SWR is OK to the proposal but the govt is against it.
As expected! If they plan to work in tandem with SWR, the traffic issues may be solved. But huge money can't be made in that plan. Why should the Government be worried about solving traffic issues?

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It is a costly project and that why the Government wants it. They don't see a flyover in this project they see moneybags!
+1. About a year and half to go, more such projects will be approved. The cost is only going to escalate as they are evaluating to extend the flyover over & parallel to the Hebbal flyover to go till the Columbia Asia Hospital. Add another 1000 crores.

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Basically it will be lovely if our dear Government would just focus on building fully integrated satellite townships and cities.

Instead of trying to squash in more people in an already crumbling infra scenario and then trying to shore it up by murdering the environment and creating all these messed up half baked plans and solutions...

But this is India! and Therefore it is a PIPO-DREAMO!!!
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Not sure why the govt cannot work in tandem with SWR to lay a new railway line from Devanahalli to KIA.

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...ot-viable.html

SWR is OK to the proposal but the govt is against it.
It is such a no brainer.

The railway line was always there , I remember telling friends, the airport is being built there probably so the railway line which was under utilised can be used. Even now, all they have to do is add airport special DMU's, probably Air Conditioned like the the DMU's in Kerala and introduce shuttle's to transport passengers from the station to the airport.
The only delay would be the fact that from Yelahanka to Devanahalli is a single line with no loop lines at any stations in between. This means the frequency would be less.
The other point being , Yelahanka from where the line to Devanahalli splits is a junction .There can be trains introduced all the way from Mysore via City and Yeshwantpur as well as trains from Bangalore Cantonment via Byapanahalli to Devanahalli. It is all covered and if done properly will bring down road traffic for sure.
When the infrastructure is already present and all that needs to be done is to use it, and the Government doesn't want to go that route, just shows how money minded they are.

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The Steel flyover (apparently costing about 280+ crore per Kilometer ) has been in the news lately for all the wrong reasons including some legal hurdles, Air Force land acquisition issues, violation of Tree Act and what not. There was a public protest last week too with a human chain formation.

All this notwithstanding, the BDA is all set to issue the work order for the project soon, after all who cares about public opinion ?

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The Steel flyover (apparently costing about 280+ crore per Kilometer ) has been in the news lately for all the wrong reasons including some legal hurdles, Air Force land acquisition issues, violation of Tree Act and what not. There was a public protest last week too with a human chain formation.

All this notwithstanding, the BDA is all set to issue the work order for the project soon, after all who cares about public opinion ?

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Exactly. Even with so many objections and the hurdles, the government is hell bent on going forward about the project. Definitely sounds fishy.

Arnab on Times now will have a gala time if and when they discuss this on newshour
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