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Old 5th November 2009, 16:14   #16
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I was once bullied on mysore rd by a VVIP convoy. A police jeep almost hit us while overtaking and my brother who was driving had to veer aside sharply.

The person who died in the report above was just 32 years of age. He is survived by his wife and 2 kids.

The PM has written a letter to his family expressing regret and asking authorities to be more "sensitive". Security fallout: PM expresses regret over man's death - India - The Times of India

Of course, little will change.

What the use of our great PM's 'condolence'? Is it going to get the dead man back alive? The PM should be booked for criminal negligance along with his security staff. That will teach these politicians some useful lessons.
I want to see the concerned police official tried for murder, which I believe is the correct procedure for this act.
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This is very sad situation.It totally dissappoints me when people are made to suffer just for these redlights ambys and the persons so called VIPS .They forget that who made them VIPs .The people elected them as their leaders and they are paying the people back by making them suffer on roads and everywhere possible.Doesn't these VIPs have security issues when they go to people's houses begging for votes.A few years back a VIPs fleet was passing through a village when a child came in front of the car and car hit him .Other cars of fleet ran over the child without caring about his life.This had dissapointed me so much that these VIPS are killers in my opinion.Finally sum is

Corrupt goverment + corrupt cops = suffering people
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I've lived in the US for about 4 years and have also experienced Canada a bit. The only time I happened to be in the "held-up" traffic was when the traffic that was to get into I-84 (in Waterbury, CT) was held up for a short time (no more than 5 minutes) for McCain's convoy to pass (so was I told). That apart several times I had stopped or pulled over to give way to an emergency vehicle that was on its way to attend to an ordinary citizen!

Can some one tell me how do the so-called VIPs make their way in those countries where the common man is not incovenienced?
Also, I'm curious to know if there is any other country in the world where any of our fellow BHP-ians had such experiences first hand.


It pains to realize that an ailing person that needs urgent medical care has to wait for a so-called VIP to pass. Several times when the VIP passes the waiting person passes away!
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What I can do as a citizen?

Break the VIP code and rush my vehicle (of course politician don't own the road) I have every right to push my GTX on the road.

I don't remember reading that giving pass to VVIP is a traffic rule.
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What I can do as a citizen?

Break the VIP code and rush my vehicle (of course politician don't own the road) I have every right to push my GTX on the road.

I don't remember reading that giving pass to VVIP is a traffic rule.

I'm sure that you would end up with several police cases against you.
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What I can do as a citizen?

Break the VIP code and rush my vehicle (of course politician don't own the road) I have every right to push my GTX on the road.

I don't remember reading that giving pass to VVIP is a traffic rule.
I think you will be lucky enough if you have only cases registered against you.Worst case is that the VIP body guards may shoot at you thinking you are a threat to VIP.So we can't do anything to bear it for our life and for our loved ones.
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Chief Minister, Punjab has a cavalcade of 20-25 cars, including an Ambulance and a Fire Brigade whenever he travels around the bigger cities of Punjab. I myself have witness to this 3 times in my city and held up directly on a main road or one of the smaller roads due to traffic congestion each time.
India needs Dictatorship or Army Rule to set things in order
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I was once driving up to MG road with my Danish friend, who wanted to visit "downtown Bangalore". You can imagine he was visiting India for the first time. There was a giant traffic pileup and a blaring ambulance stranded in it.
He goes, "Incredible India!" with a brief pause, "Never mind"
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What I can do as a citizen?

Break the VIP code and rush my vehicle (of course politician don't own the road) I have every right to push my GTX on the road.

I don't remember reading that giving pass to VVIP is a traffic rule.
You are quite correct.

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I think you will be lucky enough if you have only cases registered against you.Worst case is that the VIP body guards may shoot at you thinking you are a threat to VIP.So we can't do anything to bear it for our life and for our loved ones.
What nonsense. They cant do jack. Ever cycled in between a VIP convoy?? ...I HAVE!!! Beat that!!

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I've lived in the US for about 4 years and have also experienced Canada a bit. The only time I happened to be in the "held-up" traffic was when the traffic that was to get into I-84 (in Waterbury, CT) was held up for a short time (no more than 5 minutes) for McCain's convoy to pass (so was I told). That apart several times I had stopped or pulled over to give way to an emergency vehicle that was on its way to attend to an ordinary citizen!

Can some one tell me how do the so-called VIPs make their way in those countries where the common man is not incovenienced?
Also, I'm curious to know if there is any other country in the world where any of our fellow BHP-ians had such experiences first hand.
it's all about money.

McCain can not amass money in his lifetime that our railway minister can demand in a day. So when our railway minister is out on road, there are thousands others to eliminate him to get that share of money. ditto for businessmen and other types of VVIPs. McCain and Obama have very less to fear about.

These politicians have created their own enemies and the common man pays for their fear.

Sorry but the solution I can think of can not be discussed here

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Every single person at the scene could easily identify security persons in VIP convoy whereas it should be other way round.
In most of the countries, you wouldn't realize security persons being there until he decides to show his/her ID card

The security officer of PM has indeed agreed the issues to the general public due to the security plan and he even accepted that there are ways to protect VIPs without disturbing the public.

Lets hope for the best and believe that security scenarios would evolve in near future - at the least in central govt. I'm not sure it would have created an impact in local - i.e. within the states. It would take years if not centuries
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PM expresses regret over man's death - India - The Times of India

Of course, little will change.[/quote]
what i cant understand is that, most politicians use choppers for every small reason, so why couldn't the PM have used one instead of taking a road convoy?
the politicians can clog up the air traffic and leave the roads free for us mere mortals!
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I read this too in the papers and was very sad at what happened. 32 years is not age to die and that too due to some silly idiot.

Is the life of a Politician worth more than a common citizen? Considering our corrupt politicians, they definitely are not worth anything.

Things have certainly improved in Bangalore where the traffic cops stop traffic only a few minutes before/after the cavalcade passes. Atleast that has been my experience so far.

On a related note w.r.t VIP visits are the deputation of Govt Doctors on emergency duty and where they tag along with the VIP convoy. Completely unwanted. There was an article in The Hindu on this and how many patients suffer in the Govt hospitals due to the doctors getting deputed to these VIPs. Even the doctors themselves suffer.

I for one support a military style Democracy
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1915 hours. Old Madras Road. Going towards Whitefield.

Government Vehicle, a white Corolla, KA 01 G 4401. Red Beacon on. No escorts.

The driver is driving rashly and changing lanes at will. The auto/cab and truck guys were giving way seeing the beacon.

I see him coming from far as the beacon was quite visible from a distance. Thinking this was a ambulance. I try and clear the right most lane. Pushing some traffic along with me towards the left.

Only when he is at 2 cars distance i notice this is not an ambulance and there is no siren and realise its a car.

I still think its on an emergency and give way. While passing me, I look inside the car and see some ladies and a couple of kids in the car. I was like what a cheapstake and let him go anyways.

Coming to the bottleneck below the train overhead bridge. I am on the middle lane and slowly get across the car stuck on the leftmost lane behind a line of cars trying to take a Uturn just before the railway overhead bridge.

The traffic cop at this crazy place can see the beacon light. Drops whatever he is doing, creating a big mess and runs to weed out the creep from the block.

He stops all traffic and lets the car get on the other lane and overtake all the other stranded traffic and lets the corolla pass.

Then we get to the KR Puram bridge. Again a mess. The cop next to the temple again has stopped all the traffic to let this one car go.

WHAT THE HECK???

Dont these scum have any protocol, when and when not to use the beacon.

For all i understand it maybe the driver on a jolly ride with his family. There was no escorts, the police were not aware and still this guy drives like he is some official on an official run.
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1915 hours. Old Madras Road. Going towards Whitefield.

Government Vehicle, a white Corolla, KA 01 G 4401. Red Beacon on. No escorts.

The driver is driving rashly and changing lanes at will. The auto/cab and truck guys were giving way seeing the beacon.

I see him coming from far as the beacon was quite visible from a distance. Thinking this was a ambulance. I try and clear the right most lane. Pushing some traffic along with me towards the left.

Only when he is at 2 cars distance i notice this is not an ambulance and there is no siren and realise its a car.

I still think its on an emergency and give way. While passing me, I look inside the car and see some ladies and a couple of kids in the car. I was like what a cheapstake and let him go anyways.

Coming to the bottleneck below the train overhead bridge. I am on the middle lane and slowly get across the car stuck on the leftmost lane behind a line of cars trying to take a Uturn just before the railway overhead bridge.

The traffic cop at this crazy place can see the beacon light. Drops whatever he is doing, creating a big mess and runs to weed out the creep from the block.

He stops all traffic and lets the car get on the other lane and overtake all the other stranded traffic and lets the corolla pass.

Then we get to the KR Puram bridge. Again a mess. The cop next to the temple again has stopped all the traffic to let this one car go.

WHAT THE HECK???

Dont these scum have any protocol, when and when not to use the beacon.

For all i understand it maybe the driver on a jolly ride with his family. There was no escorts, the police were not aware and still this guy drives like he is some official on an official run.
The car seems to be owned by our Karnataka Chief Secretary!! I hope some one from Vidana Sowda reads this post and take appropriate action. From what I heard our current Chief Secretary is straight as an arrow person.

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