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Old 4th November 2009, 15:32   #1
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VVIP security claimed yet another life today.

PM's security claims patient's life - Chandigarh - City - The Times of India

This is not the first time something like this has happened - I've heard of the common man suffering on the streets of Delhi waiting for VVIP cavalcades to pass by. But this instance was an extreme one - although it yet needs to be ascertained as to whether the PMs security really contributed to a delay in the medical treatment.

I wonder if something like this could've happened let's say in US or Europe. Looking forward to hear from bhp-ians.

Another question this raises is the state and availability of emergency medical treatment in India.

PS : Mods, please merge with an appropriate thread if available, I could not find an existing one.
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Old 4th November 2009, 17:02   #2
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The security issue is not only in Delhi but in all major cities. For safeguarding a single man, indian citizens has to wait leaving their work and for some losing their money too(Time is money).

Worst part is, even the human being who is ready to come out of their cherished mother's womb has to wait. Shame!

Change Indian politics, change!!
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Everyone feels bad about this. When my mother was operated for some vein blockage, Narendra modi was to visit Vadodara. When the procedure of installing strands was completed, the doctor informed us that the block was longer than what the reports had suggested.

A new strand was ordered, but all the roads were blocked. So the company was kind enough to send three humans with similar strands on three different routes.

The doctor had informed us that this is not Operation, but its a smaller version of Operation and they call it procedure. It will not take more than 20 mins. Now due to blocked roads, the procedure was extended to 3.5 hours. They were very unpleasant hours for us.

My uncle is in politics. When one of our relatives died, we were at his place. Shri Dilipbhai Parikh was sitting with us along with some other VIP persons. Let me tell you, except Dilipbhai, everyone behaved in a pathetic way.

All this has roots into the laws we have. We adopted the British system which was instituted when we were slaves. But even today, despite the so called freedom, we are not truly free.

Only God can help us. The real life situation is moving towards the situations described in Hindi movies of 1970-1980. What we need is a true hero. The Indian politics ? Well, lets take some exam of all politicians. They have mugged up numbers, but let me tell you we know more than them about almost everything. I am talking this after meeting various VIP in the past.
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This is really frustrating. Even Mumbai suffers from this. Although I respect that there are security threats to certain VIPs but there needs to be a system/plan on the road to execute it.

I once was stuck behind a VIP's car who was being escorted by 5-6 police gypsys. I was patient for 10kms behind them when though roads were totally open they choose to drive at 40-50km/hr late at night. Even on wide open stretches they choose to block all 5 lanes and let no one overtake. I lost my patience, found a small gap and gunned it. If I didn't have a reasonably powerful car I would have continued to be bullied by them.
They could well secure the VIP and surround his car in 2 lanes by covering his vehicle from all sides. Why inconvenience people by behaving like you own the road.

Even people with limited/private security often do not let you overtake them.
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VVIP security claimed yet another life today.

PM's security claims patient's life - Chandigarh - City - The Times of India

This is not the first time something like this has happened - I've heard of the common man suffering on the streets of Delhi waiting for VVIP cavalcades to pass by. But this instance was an extreme one - although it yet needs to be ascertained as to whether the PMs security really contributed to a delay in the medical treatment.

I wonder if something like this could've happened let's say in US or Europe. Looking forward to hear from bhp-ians.

Another question this raises is the state and availability of emergency medical treatment in India.

PS : Mods, please merge with an appropriate thread if available, I could not find an existing one.

Read this in the papers today. Really sad.

Security and such protection is offered in other developed countries too (assuming we are still 'developing' - simply by what has happend in this incident).

However, the kind of support and infrastructure available over there takes care of all such things.
In dire circumstances, you have the option of air-lifting someone in emergency medical need and carried over to another city itself in a matter of minutes. This I believe happens by the civic bodies and not just by the power of money.

But here, the problem of someone not able to reach a hospital on time is a much grave issue with the traffic congestion we see daily.

Everytime I see an ambulance trying to make way thru the western express highway in mumbai, during peak hours, where every available inch is taken up by vehicles going at like 5 kmph, I pray.
Even if someone wanted to, he could not give way to the ambulance because there is just no place to move.
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I was once bullied on mysore rd by a VVIP convoy. A police jeep almost hit us while overtaking and my brother who was driving had to veer aside sharply.

The person who died in the report above was just 32 years of age. He is survived by his wife and 2 kids.

The PM has written a letter to his family expressing regret and asking authorities to be more "sensitive". Security fallout: PM expresses regret over man's death - India - The Times of India

Of course, little will change.
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VVIP security claimed yet another life today.

PM's security claims patient's life - Chandigarh - City - The Times of India

This is not the first time something like this has happened - I've heard of the common man suffering on the streets of Delhi waiting for VVIP cavalcades to pass by. But this instance was an extreme one - although it yet needs to be ascertained as to whether the PMs security really contributed to a delay in the medical treatment.

I wonder if something like this could've happened let's say in US or Europe. Looking forward to hear from bhp-ians.

Another question this raises is the state and availability of emergency medical treatment in India.

PS : Mods, please merge with an appropriate thread if available, I could not find an existing one.
This is really annoying. Of course security is a serious issue that cannot be compromised upon. Sometimes a use of a bit of common sense is more important which if used in this case would have been able to save a life.
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Has the family been offered some compensation ?
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The family has been demanding compensation and a job for the next of kin - a reasonable demand IMHO. It will take usually months if not years for such things to materialize , if at all anything materializes.
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I hope the family gets what it deserves and hope they can cope up with the loss.
Please not a Petrol Pump. We all know what happens to that.
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Few years back i wa stuck on old air port road for more then 2hours, the jam started around 6and went on till about 8.

the reason for jam was that the presidents convoy was expected so an hour before they blocked the road resulting in bad jam and to top the mess it started to rain heavily.

As all people helplessly waited, people in 2wheelers were effected i saw people with kids on the bikes trying to cover them from rain and many sick people too. i myslef had fever and was left in rain for more then an hour...

I can say it was a miserable and frustrating moment for all who got stuck!

I must say the we lag behind in manageent, in most cases the roads are blocked much ahead of time just that the cops dont want to take chance and who pays for this mess, its the general public.
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Incidents like this are only increasing. More and more self proclaimed VVIPs are demanding that they be given due importance and throw their (head)weight around by inconveniencing the public. They insist that they be allowed to use their muscle (between their ears) power to stop traffic.

The time has come to do away with the VIP securtiy blockades. If they really want to serve the people they are welcome to do so and, if they did the service - why would the people want to kill them?

Ok, maybe not the people of India but 'the foreign hand' might want to kill them. The best compromise is that such VIPs do real service to the public in India by staying away from visiting densely populated areas, any necessary visits can be scheduled between 11.30 p.m and 3.30 a.m when there will be no traffic. This way the public will not be inconvenienced and their security will become foolproof.

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The common man once again suffers !!

The PMO has just sent a letter of apology and the PM signed it and that's it !!

Imagine the trauma of the family right now.

The problem in our country is that we take all this for granted and therefore our so called Politicians take us for granted. Why will they not ?

I have been to UK many times and have commuted on every possible road, motorway in the UK. Not a single time have I seen any VIP's car.

Imagine one of the busiest market's in the world - Oxford Street. Peak time Thursday evening I find an Ambulance zipping by with Red Light & Siren Blaring in the middle of the road and that lane is empty and there must be a million vehicles around !! Everyone has stopped by to let the ambulance pass !!

I now know why they are called developed countries and something called HUMANITY exists there.

The cost of a Human Life here in our great country is not worth anything !! Sad !

I have too many things to say BUT I would not as this is a Public Forum and I would refrain from any attacks on Politicians and also keep my views private.

All I want to say is may the Family get justice and may the young chap's soul RIP !!
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For a man of the stature of Mr Manmohan Singh, just an apology letter is really unlike the man! Sad loss of life for no good reason whatsoever.

Also, this is nothing compared to the incident where 6 railway Gangmen were killed on the tracks.... a case of sheer negligence costing 6 lives and dunno how much trauma to the families afterwards and still all we do is type type and type.
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As you have mentioned in "Developed" countries their is value for "Human's". unlike here where without money/power you have no value!

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