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Old 14th November 2009, 11:45   #16
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Tough luck, Cougar. Can happen to anyone, specially with a petrol Gypsy, or a petrol indica, or a petrol linea, or a petrol almost any other car whose diesel variant sells more.

And the rule about not using cellphones at petrol pumps is absolute rubbish. Total hogwah. Giant dose of excreta. You get my point, right?

Take it from a pump owner, PLEASE DO NOT use cell phones at pumps,

there is one watt and more of energy emanating from your phone, if you blow up some how, don't blame us, there is no insurance from the pump.

Also legally you will be treated as a terrorist attempting to blow up the pump if you do manage to blow it up.

Last but not the least here's the real facts.

1) If your phone falls and sparks near a disposing pump (petrol & CNG/LPG) it WILL SET OFF A FIRE as there are petrol CNG/LPG fumes while dispensing.

2) There are over 5000 litres of petrol dispensed & over 12 tonnes of LPG being dispensed at a regular high traffic pump in 12 hours, this means a minimum of 10 litres of fumes (assumed due to evaporation). IF your phone falls and sparks, IT will set off a fire though small.

3) IF the fire is set off and it's not your car, trust me the rural population is NOT GOING to take your folly very kindly.

4) If the attendant or pump manager does not assault you, someone else will who is aggravated.

Moral of the story is YES there can be fumes which can be ignited, also the EMI radiation of the cellphone is capable enough of messing with the new generation fuel dispensing pump's electronics.

P.S. There are training videos given to us by the petro companies, to show how a fire is set off and ways to avoid it.

There is a well known case of a so called "macho" man in the 1980's who asked to fill up his Bullet at a pump while the engine was running, needless to say it caught fire.

please don't use cellphones in close proximity of the pump. The pump owner has spent crores on his pump so don't blow it up.

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Thanks for sharing this info with us COUGAR. Lesson learnt !

Point Noted - DO NOT USE A CELL PHONE on a gas station. i do it all the time BUT will avoid now.

A diesel sticker should do the job more or less.

I do not blame the attendant as Diesel is the Fuel He'd think that goes in a Gypsy. Not many people are aware that Gypsy's are petrol.

Glad to know your car's back in shape apart from the springy feel on the steering.
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Now-a-days,all modern cars comes with a sticker on the petrol tank lid. But we should not expect everytime the petrol pump attendent read the sticker (what happened if he is illiterate or not knowing english? or the sticker was tampered by
some one or children while the car was parked).

Most of the petrol pumps now have different pump for diesel and petrol and one can just go and stop the car in front of the pump which has got diesel or petrol and the risk can be somewhat avoidable?
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... Take it from a pump owner, PLEASE DO NOT use cell phones at pumps...
Thanks.
I hope this post is able to get some logic into those people who thought this was a myth!

Wonder if the same person will use a mobile phone in a plane while landing? I believe that is a lame one.
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This something fundamental i do when i roll into a Petrol station : Tell the attendant what fuel explicitly and reconfirm once or twice.Im very paranoid about this.
After all the attendents fill hundreds of cars,suvs,autos,bikes.They are bound to get confused.
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Take it from a pump owner, PLEASE DO NOT use cell phones at pumps,

there is one watt and more of energy emanating from your phone, if you blow up some how, don't blame us, there is no insurance from the pump.

Also legally you will be treated as a terrorist attempting to blow up the pump if you do manage to blow it up.

hahahahaaa
that made my day buddy! One watt of energy emanating from my cellphone!! Wow. What about my speakers and sub woofers? they must be emanating a millimeter watt of energy coz no one tells me to switch them off!
By the way, where is this energy coming from in the cellphone? What is its source?
Since you own a petrol bunk, what is the likely temperature that can cause a fire in the atmosphere of a bunk? Does a cellphone reach those temperatures? Also, what exactly do you mean by "do not use cellphone"? Do you mean it should be switched off? Or do you mean dont talk on the cellphone?
To date, there are how many confirmed incidents of a cellphone causing fire at petrol bunk? A big round zero. Nada. Nil. Zilch.

Poor cellphone has been blamed for so many things for no fault of his own. From causing brain tumors to heart failures.

and by the way, Mr HappyWheels, you are not allowed to use a cellphone when plane is landing or taking off because it interferes with radio waves being used to communicate by the airlines.

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Take it from a pump owner, PLEASE DO NOT use cell phones at pumps,

there is one watt and more of energy emanating from your phone, if you blow up some how, don't blame us, there is no insurance from the pump.
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Point Noted - DO NOT USE A CELL PHONE on a gas station. i do it all the time BUT will avoid now.
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I hope this post is able to get some logic into those people who thought this was a myth!

Wonder if the same person will use a mobile phone in a plane while landing? I believe that is a lame one.
For everybody that thinks that the use of mobile phones in a petrol pump can cause fires, check this out : Wireless Phones at Gas Stations, that is notification from a Government consumer advisory.

The known cause of any such fire, is more likely to be static electricity. If you are sitting inside the car, depending on the upholstery and the clothes you are wearing, especially when the climate is cold and dry, there will be some amount of static electricity build up and will get discharged, when you come in contact with any exposed metallic surface, sometimes releasing a spark. That spark is enough to ignite the fumes.

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Putting diesel/petrol stickers on the fuel lid makes sense.

Would insurance cover damages in these instances ?
Why not the color codes used in fuel pumps for Diesel (Green) & Petrol(blue)? Wont that be sufficient? I think I have seen this color coded stickers on the fuel lid somewhere, but not able to recollect (Is it in Europe guys?)
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OILS well that ends well! Good to know it got sorted.

I still have the diesel sticker on my fuel hatch which came from MSIL.

Its ugly but yeah.
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Petrol pump attendents cant be blamed here,most the folks are illiterate to understand basics about vehicles.

I drive a Accent(petrol),and Since Crdi is more common,I always make sure,I stop before the petrol bunk and another habit is that I dont open the fuel Lid before I shout petrol in attendants ear.
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hahahahaaa

Since you own a petrol bunk, what is the likely temperature that can cause a fire in the atmosphere of a bunk? Does a cellphone reach those temperatures? Also, what exactly do you mean by "do not use cellphone"? Do you mean it should be switched off? Or do you mean dont talk on the cellphone?
To date, there are how many confirmed incidents of a cellphone causing fire at petrol bunk? A big round zero. Nada. Nil. Zilch...

One watt while one is talking on the phone sir, that's the nearby amount of energy used/ transmitted from a phone.

Again, there have been no nuclear bombings of any city post hiroshima and nagasaki. Why don't you try talking on a phone near a petrol/cng/lpg dispenser and find out ?

I honestly DO NOT want to comment on how and why fires at pumps will be started. There will be EMI with the cell phone and the dispensing pump's electronics will be affected.

The cellphone is agreed too maligned. However ever wondered why the pump manufacturers put up the symbol for no cell phones ?

By all means entertain yourself at pumps using phones, may be one of them might tell you off.

Cheers and drive safe.

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Reached Gurgaon late in the evening and was escorted to a decent hotel by phamilyman. thanks bud!

Chittorgarh was enveloped in thick fog which only cleared around 1300 or so. So i was forced to maintain a leisurely 60kph and drove with the lights on. It was dark by 545p or so, an hour earlier than it does in pune and I am deeply uncomfortable about driving at night that too in a haathi like the Gypsy. I cut back to 40/50 types and tried looking out for a decent hotel. Not finding anything suitable i decided to press on in the dark, arriving on the outskirts by 730p.

My first introduction to Delhi driving was around a place like Manesar: and by god! And it wasnt just the usual culprits: rickshaw wallahs or pulsar boys. Pulsar boys ofcourse, are obnoxious no matter what city they come from! overtakin from the left and cuttin lanes without warning seems to have become not just tradition but honed into a fine art! Scary stuff!

Planning to leave on Tues morning stagin back to Pune via Madhya Pradesh this time covering 2 forests, Palpur Kuno and Madhav and reaching Pune by Friday.

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One watt while one is talking on the phone sir, that's the nearby amount of energy used/ transmitted from a phone.

Again, there have been no nuclear bombings of any city post hiroshima and nagasaki. Why don't you try talking on a phone near a petrol/cng/lpg dispenser and find out ?

I honestly DO NOT want to comment on how and why fires at pumps will be started. There will be EMI with the cell phone and the dispensing pump's electronics will be affected.

The cellphone is agreed too maligned. However ever wondered why the pump manufacturers put up the symbol for no cell phones ?

By all means entertain yourself at pumps using phones, may be one of them might tell you off.

Cheers and drive safe.
Ever wondered why only pumps in India put up these no cellphone signs? Has any oil company sent you a directive to put up those signs?

Igniting something is a pretty simple phenomenon. Everything has a minimum temperature. Beyond this, some objects self ignite. Petrol/diesel being one of them. Somebody please explain to me how talking on the cellphone can do this! Energy exists in many forms. That one watt of energy is in what form? Sound? Electric? Heat? And then how can it get transferred to the fumes?

Not too many people call me. But if i get a call at a petrol bunk, i will take it. Unless someone gives a proper scientific reason for not doing so.
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Ever wondered why only pumps in India put up these no cellphone signs? Has any oil company sent you a directive to put up those signs?

Not too many people call me. But if i get a call at a petrol bunk, i will take it. Unless someone gives a proper scientific reason for not doing so.
I have seen the same warnings in Australia. However, I guess you can take the call - proper scientific reason does not exist

@mmjgm: I understand your concern as a pump owner. I am not encouraging people to use their cell phones in petrol pumps, unless they have an important call. I would strongly recommend you to try and watch the Myth Busters episode where this was tested. The guys seriously put a mobile phone inside a glass enclosure, saturated with fumes (way way higher that what you would find in a pump) and then called, made calls, received calls everything from that phone. No BOOM

As is their wont, they actually set off a spark inside the enclosure to get that BOOM.

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I have seen the same warnings in Australia. However, I guess you can take the call - proper scientific reason does not exist

@mmjgm: I understand your concern as a pump owner. I am not encouraging people to use their cell phones in petrol pumps, unless they have an important call. I would strongly recommend you to try and watch the Myth Busters episode where this was tested. The guys seriously put a mobile phone inside a glass enclosure, saturated with fumes (way way higher that what you would find in a pump) and then called, made calls, received calls everything from that phone. No BOOM

As is their wont, they actually set off a spark inside the enclosure to get that BOOM.

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you are talking of a scientifically controlled environment. What about the EMI to the dispensing electronics ?

Forget that, if the phone falls and sparks on a few drops of fuel which ALWAYS DROP when filling.

Rather be safe than sorry on some else's property.

Even we use cell phones but well within the office area and advise most to not use cell phones around dispensing pumps.

To each his own. I am not a proponent of forcing someone a view point.

Cheers.
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