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Old 18th April 2010, 10:44   #121
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10. Allow normal public to raise a complaint against cops and informed about the actions taken if the complaint is really valid.

Well this sound impossible to me, but if it is possible, will resolve ALL our problems here.
Yes, some sort of grievance redressal forum with status tracking system. This will improve the confidence of public on traffic law enforcing agencies. This will also make sure that cops are aware of their responsibilities and are accountable for their actions.
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CorsaLove and Ranjan - Great initiative indeed, count me in, I beleive that its not only the Traffic cops that are responsible but some part of the blame should be shared by the common public like us as its because of us encouraging the system of bribie and declaring the cops as gods today we are in this mess.

I guess we need to educate the common man, the need of lane discipline as thats the need of the hour, 90% of the roads in bangalore have no lane sense and its always on comming traffic takes over the other lane and there confusion and rage.

I guess, we Bhipan's should take out a drive on lane discipline

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I guess we need to educate the common man, the need of lane discipline as thats the need of the hour, 90% of the roads in bangalore have no lane sense and its always on comming traffic takes over the other lane and there confusion and rage.

I guess, we Bhipan's should take out a drive on lane discipline
I don't think anyone driving out there is unaware of the road ethics. When they are already aware of the ethics, there is no room for teaching.

Example, I drive to office everyday to GRTP. Initially I used to stick to these disciplines of sticking to lane and overtaking from right, etc. Lately I realized, I am the only fool doing it and even if I carry on doing it, it really makes no difference to the traffic. So, now the left lane is the overtaking lane for me too, on this specific road. Because all slow moving vehicles are on the right lane 90% yellow plates, 10% white plates who believe "Driving slow" is good driving.

Unless Law is ENFORCED, will never be followed and this is MOST IMPORTANT for these commercial vehicle drivers. They are the main Culprits. Once they start following the rules everything will be fine.

It's like a cycle and we need to stop the cycle from where it is possible.
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Old 18th April 2010, 12:29   #124
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I don't think anyone driving out there is unaware of the road ethics. When they are already aware of the ethics, there is no room for teaching.

Example, I drive to office everyday to GRTP. Initially I used to stick to these disciplines of sticking to lane and overtaking from right, etc. Lately I realized, I am the only fool doing it and even if I carry on doing it, it really makes no difference to the traffic. So, now the left lane is the overtaking lane for me too, on this specific road. Because all slow moving vehicles are on the right lane 90% yellow plates, 10% white plates who believe "Driving slow" is good driving.

Unless Law is ENFORCED, will never be followed and this is MOST IMPORTANT for these commercial vehicle drivers. They are the main Culprits. Once they start following the rules everything will be fine.

It's like a cycle and we need to stop the cycle from where it is possible.
@Ranjan Sharma you are correct there is a law which is enforced but how many are following it on a daily basics?? thats something we need to remind people that rules are rules even for a fool and we do have a system in place but no one wants to follow, these rules and regulations are ment only to get a driving license.
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There is an "attention to VIPs" culture among the Bangalore Traffic Police. Diverting large chunks of the depleted traffic police force for escorting VIP movements frequently is defeating the purpose of the department. The traffic department biggies can try to resist this (I know this is tough, but somebody should bell the cat).

VIPs must be made to travel through the regular traffic chaos, to understand the problems first hand.

Since it is always smooth sailing for the people who must implement changes, the changes never happen
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how many are following it on a daily basics?
NO ONE, because it is not enforced in the right way.

People don't have the terror of being caught breaking a rule. The day the terror is there, all the rules and regulations come in place.

Terror can not be brought by printing posters and distributing pamphlets. It can only be done by penalizing people for their wrong deeds (Via Traffic Police).

I don't know what is the criteria of hiring traffic police, but first priority should be LITERACY. Unless they are literate, they can't be honest and understand their importance in betterment of things.

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VIPs must be made to travel through the regular traffic chaos, to understand the problems first hand.

Since it is always smooth sailing for the people who must implement changes, the changes never happen
I agree with this suggestion of VIPs being asked to face traffic woes to understand common man's plight.

But the counter point of this will be the security threat for VIPs and hence they need to be treated differently. This is going to be the standard reply from traffic police.
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NO ONE, because it is not enforced in the right way.

People don't have the terror of being caught breaking a rule. The day the terror is there, all the rules and regulations come in place.

Terror can not be brought by printing posters and distributing pamphlets. It can only be done by penalizing people for their wrong deeds (Via Traffic Police).

I don't know what is the criteria of hiring traffic police, but first priority should be LITERACY. Unless they are literate, they can't be honest and understand their importance in betterment of things.
Very true, but there are few honest cops out there but helpless as nobody listens and he is just a 1 man army armed with a small whistle and when he tries to control the traffic in a junction, nobody cares or listens to him. If needed, they will run him down without any mercy.

Like i said before, how many are really following the rules and regulations for their own saftey and others saftey today??? answer is none and nobody cares as long as they go first.
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I am IN. Surely.

Isnt there a public greviances forum sometime later this month. I will try and dig out those details.
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Count me in for the initiative as well folks!
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Me too. Would love to contribute in whatever way I can.
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Guys, though I'm from Chennai & may not be able to join you, I appreciate your initiative. Pls do not stop your effort just with posts here & I would really appreciate to see your outcome at commissioner's office. Here's a post (An idea born out of my mistake - Thanks to an unknown lady, her 2 children & my Son) that I'd thought about sometime back, not sure if this could be implemented even in the far future, but, I'm posting it here assuming it could fuel your thoughts.
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Great idea, count me in, lets have a TBHP meet at CP's office
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Count me in too.

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Here is the plan - We can all meet (whoever is interested in joining this cause) next weekend and decide what we have to present and the feasibility of the plan.

All the pro's and con's of doing something and how effective it is going to be in short and long term.

We thought of the following:

- An Email/ SMS/ Phone system in place to handle complaints specifically against Police officers. (There is already one in place)
- A Confirmation to be sent to the complainant and action taken against the concerned and reconfirmed.
- Awareness to public via sms/ email.
- Compulsion of having the officers name and station that he reports to.
- Person can be called to the commisioner's office if need be but under anonymity.
Instant call from the nearest police station or HQ once a complaint is received at that particular number.

Let me know what you guys would like to add.
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