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Old 13th January 2011, 19:39   #691
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Actually, have reg numbers in anything apart from English is ILLEGAL. I had read this in one of the magazines a few months back
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The best thing is to keep your wits around you, not panic, and get out with as little damage as possible, physical or financial or both. If it's a choice between your valuables and your life, don't try to be a hero. n-on-1 fights are won only in the movies. Don't learn it the hard way.
I agree but it is really easier said than done. Most of them end up thinking how it could have been handled better after the event.

There is so much going on in your mind. Safety of the car, laptop/valueables in it, family, ATM, Police, thrashings etc etc.

The goons have only one thing in mind. Extort money. Rest 'everything' is taken care of.
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I agree but it is really easier said than done. Most of them end up thinking how it could have been handled better after the event.

There is so much going on in your mind. Safety of the car, laptop/valueables in it, family, ATM, Police, thrashings etc etc.

The goons have only one thing in mind. Extort money. Rest 'everything' is taken care of.
I agree that it's tough. If it was easy, nobody would get mugged, right?

I understand that only the very lucky ones get out of such a situation totally unharmed, physically or otherwise. That's why I said, try to be sensible and minimize your losses. Getting all macho will only worsen an already precarious situation.

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Guys I guess a gadget like this sure would be handy for folks who work late (or even otherwise) and who drive/ride alone.

..:: COBRA ::..

Hawk Pepper Spray

At least we don't have to think of running over anybody or killing anybody. and this sure would make the muggers look for alternate source of income (probably legal means)

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Carrying a weapon (like bats, rods, knives etc) is not really advisable, reasons being:

1. You'll most probably be outnumbered, so it won't be adequate.

2. A bigger risk is of your weapon getting snatched and used on you/your vehicle.

3. Once you introduce a weapon to the scene, there's no way to tell how things will progress thereon. Would you be willing/equipped to bear out a potentially life-threatening brawl?

4. There would be legal consequences, and even a mugger still has rights against grievous harm/attempted murder that you might inflict on him.


The best thing is to keep your wits around you, not panic, and get out with as little damage as possible, physical or financial or both. If it's a choice between your valuables and your life, don't try to be a hero. n-on-1 fights are won only in the movies. Don't learn it the hard way.
First of all, we are talking about few small time goons here(mostly 2) who are using exactly this same fear to their advantage. At least think about standing your ground instead of bowing down to their demands, specially with these small time crooks. You can scare them by calling police itself. And no, I'm not talking about taking head on with some bigtime rowdies, that would be almost close to impossible for people like us. But we are talking about small time crooks here and they would be as much as worried as you or me would be at that moment.
And I'm not advocating anyone to carry weapons. Better not carry any if you can't use it. And even if you carry, don't use it. Use it only if it's absolutely necessary. About the legal consequences I can't exactly comment but AFAIK inflicting some damage for self-defense should be acceptable. I myself not sure if I would be able to use it (most probably I won't be able to) when the need arises and I would probably choose to run away if I can. But still it gives me a little sense of security however futile it may be, when I drive on that road. And I drive on that road daily, mostly late at night, and so I've all the reasons to be concerned.
May be I would keep a paper spray instead. Or a flash-gun which can temporarily blind them and I can run away

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I understand that only the very lucky ones get out of such a situation totally unharmed, physically or otherwise. That's why I said, try to be sensible and minimize your losses. Getting all macho will only worsen an already precarious situation.
This is the exact kind of attitude that leads to the making of perfect victims. Muggers are banking on it.

Be unpredictable, make a scene, they will melt away in a hurry. You don't have to do n-to-1 fighting.

PS: Whenever I am walking on the road, I always have a lethal weapon in my hand, my car keys. It can do lot of damage if you know how to use it.
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This is the exact kind of attitude that leads to the making of perfect victims. Muggers are banking on it.

Be unpredictable, make a scene, they will melt away in a hurry. You don't have to do n-to-1 fighting.

PS: Whenever I am walking on the road, I always have a lethal weapon in my hand, my car keys. It can do lot of damage if you know how to use it.
Mugger gang strikes in Indiranagar, Domlur - The Times of India

Seems like the frequency of such incidents is increasing everyday. It seems more like a question of "when" rather than "if" of finding myself in such a situation and even that too appears more likely to happen sooner rather than later unless I stop going out all alone at all times ! I'm thinking of changing my number plates to kannada if that's going to make someone think twice. Any comments?
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After reading the story it seems others are also joining the party. Now its no longer limited to "guy in a car". Bikers are getting stopped stabbed and robbed. Even the guy who got off an auto-rickshaw was stabbed and robbed. Maybe now police will take notice?????
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^^^ 130am at 80ft road, Ulsoor and 230am at Domlur. Looks like a work of a group doing 'rounds' in that area. Are these guys taking turns in each area every night?
From what I read, the first victim punched the mugger on the face and shouted. But he still got stabbed.

So, apart from fighting and shouting, it's also important to protect ourselves - either by defending or by running-away.
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First of all, we are talking about few small time goons here(mostly 2) who are using exactly this same fear to their advantage. At least think about standing your ground instead of bowing down to their demands, specially with these small time crooks. You can scare them by calling police itself. And no, I'm not talking about taking head on with some bigtime rowdies, that would be almost close to impossible for people like us. But we are talking about small time crooks here and they would be as much as worried as you or me would be at that moment.
And I'm not advocating anyone to carry weapons. Better not carry any if you can't use it. And even if you carry, don't use it. Use it only if it's absolutely necessary. About the legal consequences I can't exactly comment but AFAIK inflicting some damage for self-defense should be acceptable. I myself not sure if I would be able to use it (most probably I won't be able to) when the need arises and I would probably choose to run away if I can. But still it gives me a little sense of security however futile it may be, when I drive on that road. And I drive on that road daily, mostly late at night, and so I've all the reasons to be concerned.
May be I would keep a paper spray instead. Or a flash-gun which can temporarily blind them and I can run away
How exactly can you judge on-the-spot whether it's a small time idiot or an armed & desperate guy? The problem with getting violent is once you get involved, there's no way to tell how far/bad it will go/get. If you end up getting stabbed or seriously hurting the mugger, I'm not sure how the law will protect you/him.

Indian law isn't exactly victim-friendly, so I wouldn't bank on it if it's avoidable. Pepper sprays are a good deterrent, I agree. Best thing to do is not get involved with strangers at night/isolated places. Sometimes, it's the good Samaritan in us that these muggers bank on. Their biggest objective is the make you stop and disembark. Once they achieve that, the rest is unpredictable to say the least.

P.S. Trying to avoid conflict doesn't amount to fear. And if being a little apprehensive can save me from trouble, I'm not ashamed. You might disagree, and I'm fine with that. To each his own. Cheers.

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This is the exact kind of attitude that leads to the making of perfect victims. Muggers are banking on it.

Be unpredictable, make a scene, they will melt away in a hurry. You don't have to do n-to-1 fighting.

PS: Whenever I am walking on the road, I always have a lethal weapon in my hand, my car keys. It can do lot of damage if you know how to use it.
I'm not exactly advocating handing over everything you have at the first hint of trouble, am I? I'm just saying one should know when to back off in an unfavourable situation.

And muggings don't always happen in broad daylight in crowded places, do they? What good would shouting/creating a scene do in an isolated place at night? If anything, it would incite the mugger(s) to do something rash to shut the victim up. There are plenty of examples of late-night incidents on this forum itself.

Standing up for yourself is all well, but one should know his/her limits if it gets down and dirty. Being a late worker and frequent highway traveller, I've come across a lot of such situations myself and managed not to get mugged in all these years. From personal experience, all I say is common sense goes much further than machismo in safeguarding you, your loved ones and your belongings. I don't doubt your capabilities in hand-to-hand combat. I guess Rajinikanth isn't the only one after all.

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This might be a bit OT as this didn't happen in/around Bangalore, but the incident is relevant to this thread.

Feb 2007, I was travelling From Bhopal to Indore for a friend's wedding. For people familiar with the area, there's a section called Dodi ghat at about halfway distance between the two cities.

I was driving alone through Dodi around 8.30 PM I think, when 2-3 guys tried to wave me down. They were standing besides a broken down M-800, and seemed to have been stranded for quite a while, because they'd managed to put stones and twigs around the car (the car had seemingly broken down at a blind turn).

I was in two minds whether to stop or not, ultimately deciding not to, as there was a Police check-post at the end of the section (4-5 kms away), and those people would be better equipped to help, even provide a tow if required. I stopped at the post and told them about the break-down. The constable said he'll send out the patrol car and asked me to move on.

On my return journey 2 days later, I asked the post constable whether he helped the guys, and he said there was nothing at the spot I mentioned. They had checked the entire section to be sure, but didn't find anything.

You know what beats it all? When I drove on towards Bhopal, I found these guys again, at a slightly different spot (in a different car), and they didn't even try to wave me down this time as I wasn't alone (was driving 2 other friends back from the wedding).

What would've happened if I'd stopped the first time? Who knows? I'm glad I didn't.
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What would've happened if I'd stopped the first time? Who knows? I'm glad I didn't.
Who knows, they really would be stranded with a broken down car and how are you so sure that you saw the same guys later on with a different vehicle? Do you remember their faces?
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P.S. Trying to avoid conflict doesn't amount to fear. And if being a little apprehensive can save me from trouble, I'm not ashamed. You might disagree, and I'm fine with that. To each his own. Cheers.
Well, I agree everybody is not capable of violence. It needs high degree ruthlessness which can only come from practice or by birth. When I say practice, I don't mean martial arts as taught in MA schools. Most martial artists barely know how to defend themselves or how to react in a street fight situation. Meanwhile, people who can handle themselves in street fight situations don't necessarily know martial arts. It is a well known conundrum among the self defense practitioners.

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I'm not exactly advocating handing over everything you have at the first hint of trouble, am I? I'm just saying one should know when to back off in an unfavourable situation.
Oh, that I agree. One has to be able to judge. One should never enter a fight unless there is a decent chance of success.

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Standing up for yourself is all well, but one should know his/her limits if it gets down and dirty. Being a late worker and frequent highway traveller, I've come across a lot of such situations myself and managed not to get mugged in all these years. From personal experience, all I say is common sense goes much further than machismo in safeguarding you, your loved ones and your belongings. I don't doubt your capabilities in hand-to-hand combat. I guess Rajinikanth isn't the only one after all.
Actually, I doubt my capabilities in hand-to-hand combat. Any sensible fighter would, and I am not even a professional or young. What you think as machismo is actually cold calculation of odds. I know that any street fight results in injuries, for both parties. Even a mugger will know that. The question is who is willing to take more risks. If the mugger realises he is up against somebody who will fight like a pitbull, he will take his business else where. Ultimately, the mugger is not doing it for the fight, but for the money.

You think all the muggers and rowdies are experts in fighting? No way, they are no better than the average joe. The only difference between the mugger and the victim is that, the muggers are prepared, mostly armed, don't mind hurting/killing and are willing to take significant risk to themselves. If you can find a way to thwart them, do make an attempt, it doesn't necessarily need martial arts training. Read the situation correctly, two bikers claiming false accident at helmet point at day time are not the same as 5 armed people in the middle of night. Don't equate both cases and apply same formula.
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Who knows, they really would be stranded with a broken down car and how are you so sure that you saw the same guys later on with a different vehicle? Do you remember their faces?
Stranded with a broken down car, and disappeared within minutes when a patrol car comes looking for them? The way their car was parked, they were heading in the same direction as me, and would've passed the check-post, either driving or being towed by someone. Neither happened, as the constable told me 2 days later. I believe I did the safe thing by informing the check-post that there's a broken down vehicle that might need help. If they really needed help, they'd get it. If they were miscreants, they deserve to be caught.

And yes, I remembered the face of the guy who was trying to wave me down because it was the same guy in both instances, which happened only 2 days apart. In the second instance, he let me go the moment he realized I wasn't alone.

P.S. Though I didn't know it then, I found out later that Dodi was once so notorious for highway robbery that night traffic was escorted end-to-end in convoys by patrol jeeps.

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Well, I agree everybody is not capable of violence. It needs high degree ruthlessness which can only come from practice or by birth. When I say practice, I don't mean martial arts as taught in MA schools. Most martial artists barely know how to defend themselves or how to react in a street fight situation. Meanwhile, people who can handle themselves in street fight situations don't necessarily know martial arts. It is a well known conundrum among the self defense practitioners.

Oh, that I agree. One has to be able to judge. One should never enter a fight unless there is a decent chance of success.

Actually, I doubt my capabilities in hand-to-hand combat. Any sensible fighter would, and I am not even a professional or young. What you think as machismo is actually cold calculation of odds. I know that any street fight results in injuries, for both parties. Even a mugger will know that. The question is who is willing to take more risks. If the mugger realises he is up against somebody who will fight like a pitbull, he will take his business else where. Ultimately, the mugger is not doing it for the fight, but for the money.

You think all the muggers and rowdies are experts in fighting? No way, they are no better than the average joe. The only difference between the mugger and the victim is that, the muggers are prepared, mostly armed, don't mind hurting/killing and are willing to take significant risk to themselves. If you can find a way to thwart them, do make an attempt, it doesn't necessarily need martial arts training. Read the situation correctly, two bikers claiming false accident at helmet point at day time are not the same as 5 armed people in the middle of night. Don't equate both cases and apply same formula.
Let's not digress from the main issue here. This isn't a thread about street fighting best-practices, but about muggings on isolated roads. And win or lose, the end-result of a brawl is never pretty. You would agree, I believe. A mugger is an average joe, and he's scared too, because he's doing illegal stuff on top of being dangerous, and things don't always go as planned. But fear makes a desperate guy more dangerous.

End of the day, no two situations are the same, and one has to do what's necessary (I completely agree), but the emphasis should be on getting rid of the situation, not creating a bigger one.

Should one risk life & limb for the sake of bragging rights? It's a personal choice everyone has to make on their own. Not everyone is capable of violence as you say, and it's not just about physical capability. I for one can't justify myself killing/badly injuring someone for things worth a few hundred/thousand bucks. I'd rather let him have it.

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