Test Drive of the 350Z - Page 3 - Team-BHP

rgowani · 16th March 2004, 20:58

Ok heres the Figure he has Quoted. 50 Lakhs. The cost of the car in UK is 26G's Pound. Which is abt 22 Lakhs in UK and with 130 & Duty it comes to arnd 51 Lakhs. BUT this has been used for 300 Kms soo tht way he has bought it for a little less I suppose.

GTO · 16th March 2004, 21:08

I dont see why it should be much over 30 lakhs. The Nissan 350Z coupe MSRP's at $26930 (28000 odd for the enthusiast version) in Boston. Thats apprx 12 lakh rupees. But this $27000 figure features local taxes, which export vehicles either dont pay or get a refund for, later. Also, it is the MSRP price which a majority of U.S. car buyers get a discount on.

Add 100.2% import duty (Thats if the dealer does pay the entire import amount and does not underinvoice)...its roughly 21 lakhs (after cutting local taxes and discounts). Maybe another 2 lakhs for transportation. Once the vehicle lands here, get it an HR registration, save on taxes and pay apprx 3 lakhs to get it locally registered.

The figure totals up to 26 lakhs + dealer commissions. I think 4 lakhs or 15.3 % is a fair margin.

Total = 30 lakhs

Buttttttttttt I have included the customs and local taxes at face value. We all know how imported car dealers manage to bypass a tax figure or two.

GTO

GTO · 16th March 2004, 21:10

Rg,

According to the current budget, the import rates have been revised to 100.x%

GTO

rgowani · 16th March 2004, 21:14

Yea but Im includin Registration and all. And its 27000 Pounds UK. So I dont know how in US its just 27000 $

ported_head · 16th March 2004, 21:51

thats some car dude...if i had to pick up one..i would pick up the track version. handling flaws, whatever little that are were really sobered down. and i really like the way the car looks, first ever good design job and that too by an indian. we are making our mark guys.

btw RG, do you have an SL55? anyway i could get a ride??

rgowani · 16th March 2004, 22:19

Hey Petrol Head wht u sayin Designed by an INDIAN?

?

???

v12 · 16th March 2004, 22:21

ya the 350Z's designed by an Indian.

GTO · 16th March 2004, 22:25

RG,

The 350Z retails for 20000 pounds in the UK, not 28000. Even after adding 3500 pounds as Value Added Tax (which as I mentioned before is fully refundable), the price is 23800 pounds. There is a GT version which is priced at 22000 pounds (Among the extras are orange seats and a bose stereo.) From the pictures that you have provided, that version is very obviously not a GT version.

Now lets start with the 20000 pound UK price (without the refundable VAT). That brings it to 17 lakhs and some change. Add 100.x% duty, you are at 34 lakhs. Butttttttttttttttt this car, like you rightly mentioned, is shown on papers as a second hand car (300 km odo). Thus it would have surely cost him lesser than a new car price?

I have attached the latest new car price list from Nissan UK.

GTO

GTO · 16th March 2004, 22:37

Hey,

I just saw the pictures and the 350Z you saw is NOT the UK version. It is actually an import from Japan(The other Right Hand drive country)!!!!!!! Watch the rear - It says FairladyZ - Thats Japanese badging! In the UK as well as the US, this car is sold as the 350Z, but in Japan it is called the FairladyZ.

Pricing for the FairladyZ (brand new mind you) is 3 million Yen. Thats apprx USD 27000. So that brings my original pricing back into the picture!!

30 lakhs odd on-road in India

GTO

P.S. The only reason I ventured into this research is that the 350Z is about on par with the C Class or the 3 series in pricing. If the C Class sells starting at 24 lakhs (okay locally assembled) and the BMW 3 series (Fully Imported) at 25 lakhs, why on earth should a 350Z sell for 50 lakhs!! I get really cheezed off when dealers from the unorganized segment try to rip customers apart

RJK · 16th March 2004, 23:05

A J Panchal was the name of the design chief of 350z

_Crazi4Speed_ · 16th March 2004, 23:42

GTO is absolutely correct...this car should come no more than lets c...32k with good options..comes to about 34 lakhs, so basically the guy is ripping you off...51 lakhs is no not even possible..man u can get the M3 in less than 52 Lakhs..(quoted by a delhi dealer) who the hell would buy the 350Z indtead

and ofcourse since he would have done all ghapla in the invoice and all..you can expect a big bargain margin...but since people in india who have the money are most of the time ignorant..they just get looted...you need to be an informed buyer in india to get a good deal..also dont look at the dealer price in US..you should look at the invoice price and then do the calculations..cuz thats how cheap they(indian dealers) get it at..these guys buy it from auctions..

Another story i remembered..I was back in india this december and we guys were all ready to buy the LX470..awesome looking imported from japan and all..showed 12 km on the odo...he bought it from an auction back in japan and told me that it had actually done 1200 km...didnt give me the reason y it was showing 12 on the odo..anyhow..he quoted me 46.. which i know would have come down to 40-41...this car is a 70k$ car in US..about double the price for that of a Z..so..you see not possible...recheck and tell him all this that we told u..(i dont know if u r buying..but just for kicks do the negotiations)

Cheers..

v12 · 16th March 2004, 23:46

Heres a brief description of Ajay Panchal.

AJAY PANCHAL
Exploratory Designer
Nissan Design America, Inc.

[photo available]

Ajay Panchal is an exploratory designer at Nissan Design America, Inc. (NDA). He is responsible for coordinating design projects and creating advanced research and design ideas.
While with Nissan, Panchal has worked on the 2001 Frontier truck and 2003 350Z&#8482; design and was instrumental in the formation of the Exploratory Design Group at NDA. This group involves Design Context Lab activities and school projects, as well as establishing and directing Nissan programs with consultant design teams.

Working in the interior studio at NDA, Panchal participated in advanced phase programs for upcoming Altima and Quest designs. Previously, he was a member of the exterior design team of Red Studio, where he collaborated on full size designs including advanced exterior models for Altima and a hybrid concept design.

Before joining Nissan, Panchal interned at Ford Motor Co. Design Studio in Dunton, England and Renfrew Associates Product Design Studio, where he worked on motorcycles and a virtual reality headset.

Panchal has been the recipient of numerous awards for his design work, including the Society of the Coachmakers runner-up prize, IVECO Ford Truck Design Awards runner-up honor and an award from the Royal Society of Arts for his design of a minivan interior.

Panchal earned a bachelor&#8217;s degree in transport design from Coventry University.

Source : *Nissan News

GTO · 17th March 2004, 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]also dont look at the dealer price in US..you should look at the invoice price

Rightly said, Pardner

GTO

rgowani · 17th March 2004, 00:34

Hmmmmmm CAME TO KNOW QUITE SOME FACTS. Well GTO ure correct on that. I didnt think abt it tht much. Well I'm not buying it soo Its K whatever price he quotes.

Dippy · 17th March 2004, 00:59

Well gotta hand it to GTO he really did a lot of research on this car what say RG?

Cheers

16th March 2004, 20:58	#31 (permalink)
rgowani BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 239	Ok heres the Figure he has Quoted. 50 Lakhs. The cost of the car in UK is 26G's Pound. Which is abt 22 Lakhs in UK and with 130 & Duty it comes to arnd 51 Lakhs. BUT this has been used for 300 Kms soo tht way he has bought it for a little less I suppose. __________________ Don't Immitate, Innovate®.

16th March 2004, 21:08	#32 (permalink)
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 18,786 View My Garage	I dont see why it should be much over 30 lakhs. The Nissan 350Z coupe MSRP's at $26930 (28000 odd for the enthusiast version) in Boston. Thats apprx 12 lakh rupees. But this $27000 figure features local taxes, which export vehicles either dont pay or get a refund for, later. Also, it is the MSRP price which a majority of U.S. car buyers get a discount on. Add 100.2% import duty (Thats if the dealer does pay the entire import amount and does not underinvoice)...its roughly 21 lakhs (after cutting local taxes and discounts). Maybe another 2 lakhs for transportation. Once the vehicle lands here, get it an HR registration, save on taxes and pay apprx 3 lakhs to get it locally registered. The figure totals up to 26 lakhs + dealer commissions. I think 4 lakhs or 15.3 % is a fair margin. Total = 30 lakhs Buttttttttttt I have included the customs and local taxes at face value. We all know how imported car dealers manage to bypass a tax figure or two. GTO __________________ GTO Work backward from your imagination, not forward from the past! Please don't PM for support. Use the Contact Form instead. Please read the NEW Team-BHP FAQ section for all your queries.

16th March 2004, 21:10	#33 (permalink)
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 18,786 View My Garage	Rg, According to the current budget, the import rates have been revised to 100.x% GTO __________________ GTO Work backward from your imagination, not forward from the past! Please don't PM for support. Use the Contact Form instead. Please read the NEW Team-BHP FAQ section for all your queries.

16th March 2004, 21:14	#34 (permalink)
rgowani BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 239	Yea but Im includin Registration and all. And its 27000 Pounds UK. So I dont know how in US its just 27000 $ __________________ Don't Immitate, Innovate®.

16th March 2004, 21:51	#35 (permalink)
ported_head Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 2,222	thats some car dude...if i had to pick up one..i would pick up the track version. handling flaws, whatever little that are were really sobered down. and i really like the way the car looks, first ever good design job and that too by an indian. we are making our mark guys. btw RG, do you have an SL55? anyway i could get a ride?? __________________ We do what we have to do in order to do what we want to do.

16th March 2004, 22:19	#36 (permalink)
rgowani BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 239	Hey Petrol Head wht u sayin Designed by an INDIAN????? __________________ Don't Immitate, Innovate®.

16th March 2004, 22:21	#37 (permalink)
v12 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 3,467 View My Garage	ya the 350Z's designed by an Indian. __________________ Enfield Cafe Racer completed. Yamaha Cafe Racer started.

16th March 2004, 22:25	#38 (permalink)
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 18,786 View My Garage	RG, The 350Z retails for 20000 pounds in the UK, not 28000. Even after adding 3500 pounds as Value Added Tax (which as I mentioned before is fully refundable), the price is 23800 pounds. There is a GT version which is priced at 22000 pounds (Among the extras are orange seats and a bose stereo.) From the pictures that you have provided, that version is very obviously not a GT version. Now lets start with the 20000 pound UK price (without the refundable VAT). That brings it to 17 lakhs and some change. Add 100.x% duty, you are at 34 lakhs. Butttttttttttttttt this car, like you rightly mentioned, is shown on papers as a second hand car (300 km odo). Thus it would have surely cost him lesser than a new car price? I have attached the latest new car price list from Nissan UK. GTO __________________ GTO Work backward from your imagination, not forward from the past! Please don't PM for support. Use the Contact Form instead. Please read the NEW Team-BHP FAQ section for all your queries.

16th March 2004, 22:37	#39 (permalink)
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 18,786 View My Garage	Hey, I just saw the pictures and the 350Z you saw is NOT the UK version. It is actually an import from Japan(The other Right Hand drive country)!!!!!!! Watch the rear - It says FairladyZ - Thats Japanese badging! In the UK as well as the US, this car is sold as the 350Z, but in Japan it is called the FairladyZ. Pricing for the FairladyZ (brand new mind you) is 3 million Yen. Thats apprx USD 27000. So that brings my original pricing back into the picture!! 30 lakhs odd on-road in India GTO P.S. The only reason I ventured into this research is that the 350Z is about on par with the C Class or the 3 series in pricing. If the C Class sells starting at 24 lakhs (okay locally assembled) and the BMW 3 series (Fully Imported) at 25 lakhs, why on earth should a 350Z sell for 50 lakhs!! I get really cheezed off when dealers from the unorganized segment try to rip customers apart __________________ GTO Work backward from your imagination, not forward from the past! Please don't PM for support. Use the Contact Form instead. Please read the NEW Team-BHP FAQ section for all your queries.

16th March 2004, 23:05	#40 (permalink)
RJK Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 865	A J Panchal was the name of the design chief of 350z __________________ '94 Mazda MX-6 My first car with my own money.

16th March 2004, 23:42	#41 (permalink)
_Crazi4Speed_ BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Shuffling between chicago and delhi Posts: 753	GTO is absolutely correct...this car should come no more than lets c...32k with good options..comes to about 34 lakhs, so basically the guy is ripping you off...51 lakhs is no not even possible..man u can get the M3 in less than 52 Lakhs..(quoted by a delhi dealer) who the hell would buy the 350Z indtead and ofcourse since he would have done all ghapla in the invoice and all..you can expect a big bargain margin...but since people in india who have the money are most of the time ignorant..they just get looted...you need to be an informed buyer in india to get a good deal..also dont look at the dealer price in US..you should look at the invoice price and then do the calculations..cuz thats how cheap they(indian dealers) get it at..these guys buy it from auctions.. Another story i remembered..I was back in india this december and we guys were all ready to buy the LX470..awesome looking imported from japan and all..showed 12 km on the odo...he bought it from an auction back in japan and told me that it had actually done 1200 km...didnt give me the reason y it was showing 12 on the odo..anyhow..he quoted me 46.. which i know would have come down to 40-41...this car is a 70k$ car in US..about double the price for that of a Z..so..you see not possible...recheck and tell him all this that we told u..(i dont know if u r buying..but just for kicks do the negotiations) Cheers.. __________________ _Crazi4Speed_ Dont dress for the position you are at, dress for the position you want to be in...

16th March 2004, 23:46	#42 (permalink)
v12 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 3,467 View My Garage	Heres a brief description of Ajay Panchal. AJAY PANCHAL Exploratory Designer Nissan Design America, Inc. [photo available] Ajay Panchal is an exploratory designer at Nissan Design America, Inc. (NDA). He is responsible for coordinating design projects and creating advanced research and design ideas. While with Nissan, Panchal has worked on the 2001 Frontier truck and 2003 350Z&#8482; design and was instrumental in the formation of the Exploratory Design Group at NDA. This group involves Design Context Lab activities and school projects, as well as establishing and directing Nissan programs with consultant design teams. Working in the interior studio at NDA, Panchal participated in advanced phase programs for upcoming Altima and Quest designs. Previously, he was a member of the exterior design team of Red Studio, where he collaborated on full size designs including advanced exterior models for Altima and a hybrid concept design. Before joining Nissan, Panchal interned at Ford Motor Co. Design Studio in Dunton, England and Renfrew Associates Product Design Studio, where he worked on motorcycles and a virtual reality headset. Panchal has been the recipient of numerous awards for his design work, including the Society of the Coachmakers runner-up prize, IVECO Ford Truck Design Awards runner-up honor and an award from the Royal Society of Arts for his design of a minivan interior. Panchal earned a bachelor&#8217;s degree in transport design from Coventry University. Source : Nissan News __________________ Enfield Cafe Racer completed. Yamaha Cafe Racer started.*

17th March 2004, 00:34	#44 (permalink)
rgowani BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 239	Hmmmmmm CAME TO KNOW QUITE SOME FACTS. Well GTO ure correct on that. I didnt think abt it tht much. Well I'm not buying it soo Its K whatever price he quotes. __________________ Don't Immitate, Innovate®.

17th March 2004, 00:59	#45 (permalink)
Dippy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 5,613 View My Garage	Well gotta hand it to GTO he really did a lot of research on this car what say RG? Cheers __________________ The Automobile - It's just that special. Nothing else even comes close

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