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Old 11th May 2011, 11:39   #16
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The main reason is the exhaust note like an agricultural pump set / DG set!
Diesel bikes are not made/popular just because of an exhaust note? Sorry, but that sounds a bit inconclusive. There have to be other reasons to this. We can always tune the exhaust note to different levels!
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Did some virtual digging around.

This bike seems to be the civilian version of the M1030-M2, 670cc JP8.

More here: http://www.hayes-dt.com/vehicle-m1030-m2.php

The interesting bits (from the link):

Mileage: 46.6 kpl @ 90 kph - Quite good for a 600+ bike

Max Speed: In excess of 152 kph (95 mph) - Good

Acceleration: 0-106 kph (60 mph) 9.7 sec - Good

Power: 33bhp @ 5700 rpm - Sufficient.

Torque: 53 Nm @ 3300 rpm - Easier to ride in city and take it offroading.

Weight (dry): 176 kg - Manageable, a Classic 500 weighs at 187 kg.

Ground Clearance: 211 mm - Overall a tall bike, short people might not be comfortable. A Classic 500 is at 140 mm.

Other details are on the link.

For me it looks a purpose build bike for special duties (multi-fuel, long travel suspension, etc). Not really a daily use commuter sort of bike.

But heck it makes sense for 2 lakhs (if). This could be a dual purpose bike for enthusiasts. I would love to have one like this for those off the beaten road type of rides.

Join the EXAMMs and AKCs with one of these. And ride it all the way there too.

My doubts are around the thinking behind getting this to India though. Its a niche product. One who's name is not even heard of here. Spares, service could be an issue. I am sure they have thought this out, hoping though that it is not an half hearted attempt. I think its the later because I am assuming the people who are getting this bike are targetting the mileage conscious buyers by using the word - DIESEL.

This bike is diesel (multi-fuel) for a purpose and mileage is not really its main intent of being run on heavy fuel.

Fingers crossed I would give this a serious thought of a Thar on 2 wheels.
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I have always wondered why there is no option for diesel engines for motorcycles! Is it because of the heavier engine? And why isn't it popular?

For a diesel loving country like India, I am sure there are people interested to get their hands on a diesel bike!
There was enfield diesel bullets which was manufatured by Enfield india. Also there are custom installed as well..
But this move of high powered diesel engine motorcycles are more interesting.. given the idea of less vibration.
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If launched in the price range that they are claiming at 1.5-1.75L , it would really shake up the market.

Altius Scimitar Review
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The company is promoted by the KUN group, Chennai and BVR Subbu. So they must have a game plan. I think this works best for the military and other law enforcement and rescue agencies rather than civilian use.
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No further news on Altius Scimitar for more than 8 months?
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All the links posted on this thread seem to have died too! Wonder what happened. Autocar India has removed its test ride article?? Strange!
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Old 19th January 2012, 12:54   #23
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All the links posted on this thread seem to have died too! Wonder what happened. Autocar India has removed its test ride article?? Strange!

Looks like the link has been changed by autocar. see here

I am quite surprised about the fact that it was not there in the AutoExpo2012

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Hmm, so I saw the same review (Autocar has an abridged version) on Motorcycle.com

2011 Altius Scimitar Review - Motorcycle.com
Seems more than worth the estimated 1.75L!! Should be FUN!
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In addition to the Diesel Bullet, I remember that there was a bike called Sooraj which also used to run on Diesel. I am not sure whether it was the Bullet or the Sooraj that had the Greaves Lombardini engine which was later used to make the Greaves Garuda Autorickshaw used as delivery vehicles etc. (The exhaust note of the auto was better than the bike). I remember one gentleman trying to restart the bike at the bunk after filling diesel and kicking for almost 5 minutes before the thing started. Any info on this also would be welcome just for information and curiosity.
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In addition to the Diesel Bullet, I remember that there was a bike called Sooraj...Any info on this also would be welcome just for information and curiosity.
There's a thread on the Taurus/Suraj:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motorb...us-diesel.html (Royal Enfield Taurus diesel)

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Remember the "agricultural pumpset" type exhaust of the diesel Bullets of yore?
As mentioned in one the posts, it is an indirect injection diesel engine.

The advantages of indirect injection over direct injection are lower noise and smoother operation and also, simpler design avoiding a need for very high pressure systems. Read more: Diesel engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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As mentioned in one the posts, it is an indirect injection diesel engine.

The advantages of indirect injection over direct injection are lower noise and smoother operation and also, simpler design avoiding a need for very high pressure systems. Read more: Diesel engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is a youtube video of HDT motor in action



Please give your feedback on the sound/noise after listening to this video

There is another diesel bike from Kawasaki called KLR 650 which was modified by HDT to burn diesel fuel. See the bike in action below





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There is another diesel bike from Kawasaki called KLR 650 which was modified by HDT to burn diesel fuel.
Tommie: IIRC the Scimitar is based almost entirely on the KLR 650 platform. The engine is developed in-house at HDT, but the cycle components are the same as the KLR it seems.

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There is another diesel bike from Kawasaki called KLR 650 which was modified by HDT to burn diesel fuel. See the bike in action below
Only the Frame and other cycle parts are from the KLR650. Rest is all HDT!

And, Kawasaki's KLR is a petrol bike.
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