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Old 24th May 2012, 21:14   #31
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With petrol prices going up , i am looking for some good alternatives. Altius Scimitar is the motorcycle that would keep my motorcycling spirits up in this country being a diesel motorcycle.
Do you think, the makers of this motorcycle should do a feasibility study as they are already based in India.
I feel this motorcycle has a great potential in India.
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Old 25th May 2012, 09:54   #32
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My view on diesels on bikes is that diesels being generally low-revving in nature are ideally suited for cruiser type bikes. Somehow a diesel in a bike like the Altius Scimitar doesnt seem to go well together. Well one has to see it in flesh to judge properly though.

These types of bikes do require high-revving and light engines with instant throttle response, which Diesels may not have.

A thunderbird with a nice twin cylinder diesel would be nice. Of course some money will have to be spent in designing a diesel suited for a two-wheeler. Some of the older pumpset diesel bikes looked and sounded odd.

A 670cc single cylinder? should have a vibration problem....?
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Old 2nd June 2012, 14:55   #33
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My view on diesels on bikes is that diesels being generally low-revving in nature are ideally suited for cruiser type bikes. Somehow a diesel in a bike like the Altius Scimitar doesnt seem to go well together. Well one has to see it in flesh to judge properly though.

These types of bikes do require high-revving and light engines with instant throttle response, which Diesels may not have.

A thunderbird with a nice twin cylinder diesel would be nice. Of course some money will have to be spent in designing a diesel suited for a two-wheeler. Some of the older pumpset diesel bikes looked and sounded odd.

A 670cc single cylinder? should have a vibration problem....?
You could'nt be more wrong. If you knew anything about dual-purpose or off-road bikes then you would know they are certainly not high-revving in nature. What you need IS low-end torque...Lots of it, ergo diesels are actually best suited for off-roaders.

About the vibration bit, this motor is based on the balancer-shaft equipped KLR 650 motor (Kawasaki) which is relatively vibe-free, besides it has added vibration deadening engine mounts and bar mounts to further reduce vibrations.

I guess the only shortcoming of this bike in india would be its height which is more suited to serious off-roaders ,..also the studded MX tyres which wont be of any use in most urban jungles. I think this bike will fare well as a super moto with slightly shorter suspension and 17" wheels.
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Old 2nd June 2012, 17:12   #34
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Default Re: Diesel bike for India - Altius Scimitar 650 CC

That's right, on single trail twisties, the bike is moving slowly and should not stop, especially on uphill sections. So torque is what is called for here.

Manufacturers are adopting universal platform and powerplants and it's interesting to see the results.

Riders in Thailand were cribbing about the dual sport Honda cfr250l using the racing engine of the CB'r' 250. Turns out the street bike is using a trail bike engine!

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Interestingly the CB250RS was developed around a motor that was used in a trail bike, the XL250S, and it worked quite well. I certainly liked the one I owned for about five years. This time the donor motor is from a road bike. It remains to be seen how it works. The proof comes with the riding, and it will be interesting to see how people find it in use, and what they land up doing with it.


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Greetings to all. I hope this helps to clear up confusion over engine power of CRF250L. Honda has tuned the CRF engine differently to that of the CBR so nothing wrong with dyno or tester. Apologies if previously posted - This from Honda Worldwide:

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The CRF250L' s engine is based on a well-reputed liquid-cooled 250 cc single-cylinder DOHC engine, developed as a global engine transcending regions and known for being sporty yet eco-friendly while pointing the way to the next generation. The CRF250L version of this global engine aims for output characteristics that can be handled with ease both on and off road and deliver a fun ride. This new engine is designed to be lightweight and compact with smooth turnover, not just in the low- to mid-rpm ranges but also the high rpm range.

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To give the rider easy control of the machine.even off road.while improving full traction performance, the development team pursued powerful torque with no "dip" in the low rpm range. Furthermore, given the agile feel of a liquid-cooled DOHC engine, the model realizes the ideal response for an on/off-road model while maintaining a short stroke (bore-stroke ratio: .76 mm x 55 mm) in the base engine. To realize output characteristics that are stress-free and smooth from low rpm to high, the CRF250L developers conducted a thorough analysis of the air intake/exhaust system, which allowed them to select the ideal dimensions for the intake/exhaust pipe diameter, pipe length, and throttle bore. Moreover, the quest for reduced air flow resistance led to an optimal shape and placement of the air cleaner element and its routes to the straight intake/exhaust ports and exhaust pipe.

To achieve a fun, easy-to-handle ride, an exclusively designed clutch transmits the machine' s powerful torque characteristics thoroughly and smoothly. Exclusive designs are also added in other sections, including transmission with improved strength of gears to meet the demands of rough off-road riding. The relief valve is set to control the pressure inside the oil passage, and an internal relief structure has been adopted inside the oil pump to prevent the aeration of relieved oil.


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The CBR250 thumper is a MISMATCH for a road bike, proved by its getting constantly beaten by the smooth twin boasting Ninja 250r and repeated grenading of modified versions on Moto3 racetracks!

BTW, the Honda crf250l is doing great guns in Thailand. Read Golden Triangle Riders for user reviews. Can't wait for 2013! India launch!

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RideAsia.net • View topic - 2012 Honda CRF250L: CBR250R goes dual-sport

Also excellent discussion on thaivisa bike section of the crf250l dualsport. Read and weep.
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Altius Sabre is a diesel bike developed in collaboration with US Marine Corps for their special needs of a multi fuel bike.

A first of its kind, Sabre boasts of performance unmatched by any other motorcycle in existence.

This bike was on display at Defence Expo 2014 at pragati maidan.

Photos are courtesy Kunal Biswas of the Indian Army.

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If I remember correctly this bike is made by a chennai based company and was called the Altius Scimitar. THe chassis is a Kawasaki KLR650!
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Any idea about what is the pricing for such beasts?
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