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Old 23rd February 2016, 14:14   #946
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How does your setup improve "ground clearance"?
Conti GT suspension are longer in length, so increase in ground clearance.

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Peeps a small question, how can we get the 68 bhp from our 61 bonnveille? If already answered and discussed then just the link will do. Search comes up blank.
Install Arrow pipe, it needs remapping and this remap will increase BHP.
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Install Arrow pipe, it needs remapping and this remap will increase BHP.
In my personal opinion, investing in an Arrow 2X2 pipes is a wasteful expenditure.

Problems I experienced :

1. Firstly, it gives a perception that bike acceleration has improved due to increased power ( Power increment can only be confirmed if bike is dyno'ed)

2. It makes too much of a racket (without baffles, ofcourse). Great to show-off to the crowd gathered around the Nukkad Wala Paanshop ( Nieghbourhood Paan Maker) but, for long distance touring, it is an absolute horror as that sound will give you the biggest headache of your life

3. With Baffles, it sounds almost like a stock unit

Therefore, my recommendation for anyone buying the Arrow Pipes, think twice
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In my personal opinion, investing in an Arrow 2X2 pipes is a wasteful expenditure.

Problems I experienced :

1. Firstly, it gives a perception that bike acceleration has improved due to increased power ( Power increment can only be confirmed if bike is dyno'ed)

2. It makes too much of a racket (without baffles, ofcourse). Great to show-off to the crowd gathered around the Nukkad Wala Paanshop ( Nieghbourhood Paan Maker) but, for long distance touring, it is an absolute horror as that sound will give you the biggest headache of your life

3. With Baffles, it sounds almost like a stock unit

Therefore, my recommendation for anyone buying the Arrow Pipes, think twice
Very correct information mate, indeed the experience speaks. The same is the case with RE motorcycles wherein people change their stock units to what not modifications which makes it sound like a torn out loud speaker. We had once gone for a small ride of 250 kms round trip. There was a guy who had fitted a "so called performance" aftermarket free flow exhaust on his CL350. Before the ride began I told him, "that exhaust mate is going to kill your ears and peace of mind while touring." He said, Nah! I just love the sound and the thump. Next thing I saw was him asking us to halt after every 50 kms as his head was turning round. I offered him to ride my Tbird and he never stopped after that. But I asked him to stop (and took back my Tbird) as I couldn't take that deafening and irritating noise after about 30 odd kms. I believe same is the case with Arrows (All Show No Go) on Triumph as a couple of members in TeamBHP itself had swapped their stock exhaust with Arrows on their Tigers but ended up going back to stock.

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Mobike008: I never knew these cons before acquiring my pair of Arrows :O

When I "Arrowed" my T-100, my first reaction was, Gosh, Sound travels faster than bike

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Mobike008: I never knew these cons before acquiring my pair of Arrows :O

When I "Arrowed" my T-100, my first reaction was, Gosh, Sound travels faster than bike
Jayant : I thought you know the story before buying one....I have shared it on my thread plenty of times in the past if I remember correctly...Arrows give the perception of travelling faster than you really are and like you rightly said it's due the sound

Well, your an auto collector so it should not really matter, you can enjoy the T-100 for shorter runs and use your other bikes for longer ones OR swap the pipes when going for long distance running OR even simpler, just pop in the baffles for a noiseless ride

Bottom-line, those pipes are noisy and I lost lot of money on them

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Just kidding, mobike008. I did one better though - had a new set of baffles fabricated to my desiGN. The result is a non restrictive exhaust that sounds throaty under acceleration and refined at other times. You should view/ listen to it some day 😊
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Conti GT suspension are longer in length, so increase in ground clearance.
Hello, Pawan, , longer suspension or a "suspension lift " does not increase the Ground Clearance at all...unless you upgrade to taller tires.
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Thank you all for the info but how was the loss of 7bhp achieved on bonnveille. If previously stock bike was 68 without arrow exhaust so why we can't up the bhp with just the remap.

Is there some kind of restriction in the air box or some mechanical part is different.

I really love the look of these 2x2 arrows but I agree with you all , it's way too loud. It's good enough for only couple of WOT for few seconds. Angels from hell would sound like that.

Best I find are the high flow ones, value for money too. But do they require remap and if so which one.
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Thank you all for the info but how was the loss of 7bhp achieved on bonnveille. If previously stock bike was 68 without arrow exhaust so why we can't up the bhp with just the remap.

Is there some kind of restriction in the air box or some mechanical part is different.

I really love the look of these 2x2 arrows but I agree with you all , it's way too loud. It's good enough for only couple of WOT for few seconds. Angels from hell would sound like that.

Best I find are the high flow ones, value for money too. But do they require remap and if so which one.
It seems to be a well guarded secret by triumph as to how they achieved the reduction in bhp. I would guess a combination of airbox reduction ( apparently kn filters for bonnies were not fitting correctly in indian bonnies) and possibly different ecu maps for the indian bonnies.
High flow silencers on the base bonnie are really good although with time they get slightly subdued but still have enough growl. Yes they require a remap.
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It seems to be a well guarded secret by triumph as to how they achieved the reduction in bhp. I would guess a combination of airbox reduction ( apparently kn filters for bonnies were not fitting correctly in indian bonnies) and possibly different ecu maps for the indian bonnies.
High flow silencers on the base bonnie are really good although with time they get slightly subdued but still have enough growl. Yes they require a remap.
What I heard was the 68 bhp was at the crank. For Indian certification, power calculated at the wheel which is 61 bhp. Don't worry about it and enjoy the bike mate!
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In my personal opinion, investing in an Arrow 2X2 pipes is a wasteful expenditure.

Problems I experienced :

1. Firstly, it gives a perception that bike acceleration has improved due to increased power ( Power increment can only be confirmed if bike is dyno'ed)

2. It makes too much of a racket (without baffles, ofcourse). Great to show-off to the crowd gathered around the Nukkad Wala Paanshop ( Nieghbourhood Paan Maker) but, for long distance touring, it is an absolute horror as that sound will give you the biggest headache of your life

3. With Baffles, it sounds almost like a stock unit

Therefore, my recommendation for anyone buying the Arrow Pipes, think twice
I fully agree with you.

To me "the electric sewing machine sound" (as my daughter describes my Bonnie's sound, on "Pea-shooters") is pure music to my ears and any missing note is immediately noticeable.

It gives you great company miles after miles. Last weekend was out on a log ride on the NH7 didn't realize I was at Penukonda already in about 75 minutes of leaving from Jakkur Shell station

Then again each man unto his own in this respect.

Best Regards & Ride Safe

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Hello, Pawan, , longer suspension or a "suspension lift " does not increase the Ground Clearance at all...unless you upgrade to taller tires.
Really curious as to why not. A raise in suspension, on which a bike is (please excuse) suspended should mean the lowest part of the chasis will also rise, no? I am assuming here that the rake / trail will not be altered, like in case of those sled like, disgusting (personal opinion) choppers

And an increase in tyre side wall alone has a rather noticable effect on ride height. I am copy pasting my comments below from the "motorcycle tyres" thread:

"Got the Enfield some new shoes

A Ceat Secura front tyre - Size 3.25/19
Had been using a Nylogrip Zapper FY - 90/90/19
Tyre pressure - 22 psi
Kms done - 200 only

Negatives:
--------

Positives:
- The bike has definitely gained some height and now, the footpegs dont scrape as eassily as they did. I mean I still am able to scrape footpegs but I definitely have to crank her over considerably more before hard parts start grinding. Very good!!!"
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Anyone knows how long does it takes to get a duplicate key from company. I lost my fuel cap and handle lock key, I have duplicate for booth but I am not sure if I can get a duplicate for fuel lock although I have the key no for fuel cap as well as handle lock.
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Anyone knows how long does it takes to get a duplicate key from company. I lost my fuel cap and handle lock key, I have duplicate for booth but I am not sure if I can get a duplicate for fuel lock although I have the key no for fuel cap as well as handle lock.
The lockable fuel cap which I got came with two keys - one spare. So, unless you have lost both of them this might be an issue. You may wanna check the box which the lockable fuel cap came in for the other key.

I guess aren't you better off getting a key maker for getting a spare key instead of asking the showroom? They'll overcharge anyway
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Thank you all for the info but how was the loss of 7bhp achieved on bonnveille. If previously stock bike was 68 without arrow exhaust so why we can't up the bhp with just the remap.

Is there some kind of restriction in the air box or some mechanical part is different.

I really love the look of these 2x2 arrows but I agree with you all , it's way too loud. It's good enough for only couple of WOT for few seconds. Angels from hell would sound like that.

Best I find are the high flow ones, value for money too. But do they require remap and if so which one.
I believe (and I could be wrong) the 68 vs 61 bhp was an issue with where you measure it. In India, ARAI measures it at the wheel. Triumph published the hp / torque numbers at the crankshaft.
So 7-8 hp reduction would be okay I think. I haven't heard of two tunes for the Bonnie from the factory. I know the street triple has two stock tunes.

I have the free flows on my bonnie - they are called TORs (triumph off roads ) and they do come with a remap which the showroom does for you. I disconnected the Secondary Air Injection on it and the bike is so much sweeter! I wish I had done it earlier and it would have prevented the pipes from bluing up.

You can do the remaps yourself by getting an OBD cable and downloading some software (for eg. TuneECU) and purchase different maps. I haven't gone this far, but cant say I wont.

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Hello, Pawan, , longer suspension or a "suspension lift " does not increase the Ground Clearance at all...unless you upgrade to taller tires.
Both these mods will change the ground clearance. I reckon the Paioli ones from the Conti GT are a couple of inches longer. So in free state, thats how much the rear wheel will be pushed away.
When you sit on the bike, it will depend on the spring stiffness - a softer spring will reduce the ground clearance and vice versa.

It'll change the rake also (reduce in this case) and make the bike a little more sportier.
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