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Old 28th August 2009, 10:53   #181
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A Harley is not just a bike, its an experience. Its the sound of life getting bigger, of your daughter running out at midnight, of a V Twin kicking life into shape, of the boys who you won't let your daughter date, of a midnight ride that lasts 3 days. There are those who will feel the call of the Hog, and then there are those who won't. Why should a bike be built just to be the fastest, or most effecient, or best to lean into corners, or anything else? Why can't a bike be built from the heart. Logic, economy, practicality be damned!
Comparing a Harley with a Japanese will not make any sense. They are different beasts altogether. A Yamaha R1 will get you to the finish line quick! But the Harley will get you there in style. Style forged in metal workshops by grease covered men wearing overalls with a cigarette hanging from their lips and a monkey wrench in their hands. Men who are not afraid to walk that dark lonely road at night alone. Men who live to ride, and ride to live.
That sounds more like a Marlboro ad of yester years!

In other words, not very efficient/economical/practical! More of a status symbol.

Just substitute "Bullet" for Harley in your post and that is what a die hard
RE biker will also say. But he will be paying a lot less.
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Old 28th August 2009, 10:57   #182
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. Nice. You do know that most new HDs are bought by middle aged Americans having a midlife crisis and the means!
The Wild Hogs movie kind of people - hilarious movie, even more interesting for HD lovers.
Yeah, weekend warriors abound here too. I have no beef with those guys. When it comes to bikes, especially Harleys, I want everyone to have one. Its an experience. Just listen to the Hog! How can anyone not fall in love with that sound! Your point is well made though, the men wearing overalls with the monkey wrench may not be able to afford a Harley anymore. And thats just whats wrong with the world right now. Freedom comes at a price, a big, mean, sell your soul to the devil-price.

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A Harley is not just a bike, its an experience. Its the sound of life getting bigger, of your daughter running out at midnight, of a V Twin kicking life into shape, of the boys who you won't let your daughter date, of a midnight ride that lasts 3 days. There are those who will feel the call of the Hog, and then there are those who won't. Why should a bike be built just to be the fastest, or most effecient, or best to lean into corners, or anything else? Why can't a bike be built from the heart. Logic, economy, practicality be damned!
Comparing a Harley with a Japanese will not make any sense. They are different beasts altogether. A Yamaha R1 will get you to the finish line quick! But the Harley will get you there in style. Style forged in metal workshops by grease covered men wearing overalls with a cigarette hanging from their lips and a monkey wrench in their hands. Men who are not afraid to walk that dark lonely road at night alone. Men who live to ride, and ride to live.
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More of a status symbol.

Just substitute "Bullet" for Harley in your post and that is what a die hard
RE biker will also say. But he will be paying a lot less.
So true. Just like the RE is. Take it anywhere in India and you get respect.
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That sounds more like a Marlboro ad of yester years!

In other words, not very efficient/economical/practical! More of a status symbol.

Just substitute "Bullet" for Harley in your post and that is what a die hard
RE biker will also say. But he will be paying a lot less.
Please don't take this the wrong way. But I am a die hard Bullet guy. And I have loads of respect for the Hogs. For me bikes like the Harleys and the Bullets signify freedom. I don't want to argue with what you are saying, but I have to stand up for the Hogs. You say a bullet guy will be paying a lot less? That may be true, but then, he's only getting what he paid for. In simpler words "Itna paisa mein itna hi milega". Every good thing worth having comes at significant cost. Wives and girlfirends included.

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HD riders in the US don't get respect, more often than not. Too much of Hells Angels and other very violent gang associations, so in that respect it is very different from the Bullet respect in India. Though in recent years, that has changed with the disappearance of most of the gangs on bikes.
@Sriku, I agree about the sound. Even if you know about, I will repeat it here for the larger audience, on how to make the HD sound - anyone can do it. Repeat potato-potato-potato-potato continuously and there - thats the HD sound!
Re Wild Hogs, its a pretty average movie, but highly recommeded for HD fans to see them bigger than flesh!
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Every good thing worth having comes at significant cost.
Now, this one is too much of an invitation to let pass!
How about a mother's love? Or the music of a songbird? Or sunrise in the mountains/sunset over the sea ? Need I go on?!
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For me bikes like the Harleys and the Bullets signify freedom. You say a bullet guy will be paying a lot less? That may be true, but then, he's only getting what he paid for. In simpler words "Itna paisa mein itna hi milega". Every good thing worth having comes at significant cost.
I have to agree completely with the "freedom" part. But I am not convinced about the "gettting what he paid for" part. I think for the huge price, what one gets is some value plus a lot of hype.

An average Harley may cost ten times as much as a Bullet. But can you honestly say it will be at least twice as good as a Bullet in all respects?
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HD riders in the US don't get respect, more often than not. Too much of Hells Angels and other very violent gang associations, so in that respect it is very different from the Bullet respect in India. Though in recent years, that has changed with the disappearance of most of the gangs on bikes.
@Sriku, I agree about the sound. Even if you know about, I will repeat it here for the larger audience, on how to make the HD sound - anyone can do it. Repeat potato-potato-potato-potato continuously and there - thats the HD sound!
Re Wild Hogs, its a pretty average movie, but highly recommeded for HD fans to see them bigger than flesh!
You're absolutely right Sir. Bikers have been stereotyped as criminals, con artists, violent and ruthless gangsters because of the Hells Angels and other biker gangs in the US. While this is true, its also true that there has been a resurgence of the true biking spirit in the US and other vistas. Enthusiasts follow the various biker build off competitions, conventions, road trips, custom shops (like OCC) and the ugly reputation bikers once had has now been glamorized into ultra cool, macho retro. So much so that the once elite bunch of bikers on Hogs now sees participation from housewives, accountants, lawyers and school teachers who, on their weekdays appear normal and well adjusted with their medical insurance and 401K's. But come the weekend, they join other weekend warriors to ride around established and new trails and explore the vast continent that is their backyard.

Oh what I wouldn't do for a Fatboy on NH4! Can you imagine the ride! My knees go weak just thinking about it. I hereby declare the "Donate for my Harley" fund open. All interested can mail in their donations to fatboy_sriku@loudpipesrule.co.in. Please open your wallets and your hearts!


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HD riders in the US don't get respect, more often than not. Too much of Hells Angels and other very violent gang associations, so in that respect it is very different from the Bullet respect in India. Though in recent years, that has changed with the disappearance of most of the gangs on bikes.
@Sriku, I agree about the sound. Even if you know about, I will repeat it here for the larger audience, on how to make the HD sound - anyone can do it. Repeat potato-potato-potato-potato continuously and there - thats the HD sound!
Re Wild Hogs, its a pretty average movie, but highly recommeded for HD fans to see them bigger than flesh!

Honestly I've to disagree with you. Hells angel was one biker gang which terrorized during 60s and early 70s and they are long gone and buried...
Many mid aged americans ride H.O.G coz I did a rider course here in Seattle,WA and the average riding age in USA is gone upto 36yrs...

The difference between India and USA...In IND bike is a necessity and car is a luxury(atleast for many) in USA car is a necessity whereas bike is a luxury...baring very few states in USA you cant ride year around so its meant to be more of pleasure riding...

Pls get your facts straightened...no matter what you ride here in USA the bikers are always look out for other bikers if you go down on the road and if there is any biker riding by they will stop and come by to make sure you are allright and this I've seen in front of my eyes...

Most ppl have a bad opinion about HD owners thinking they are brattish, loud and what not but in reality many of them are well to do professionals in different walks of life with whom i've interacted personally as I do belong to Dallas H.O.G and Seattle H.O.G.

Most of the folks would cry that HD sucks and they are loud and what not but i've seen so many japs cruisers which tries to get in par with a HD but still fails...
check out on ebay for used Harleys and used any metrics you would know which one holds the value more...

Best of all most of metric cruisers they dont sell parts..or those bikes are buried and long gone...but with a harley you can walk right into a dealership if you have a panhead (pls note panhead was made in 50s) and you can still order or walk out with parts...This cannot be and will not be found in any other driving machines...this is the uniquness of a harley

I'm still not sure about IND or any other country where they sell harley but atleast here in USA i'm positive that if you've done lots of miles on the engine you can bring to the dealership and they can ship your engine to milwaukee where it is reborn again with "0" miles and you can ride all over again in your machine...

Many things like this will make you a proud harley owner...

As always these metrics try to copy HD "It's often imitated but never duplicated"...

Either you are in one or you aint..it's that simple
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@Gansan, I understand where you are coming from, but let me also flip this over in another way to convey the point of view. If I had a HD, and you told me that for the tenth of price I can get a Bullet, but no HD sound, or physical presence, I would say that the 10% is a waste of money. Value is in the eyes of the beholder, is all I am saying. I would not buy a HD, I have a Bullet. But I have made more than my fair share of seemingly irrational decisions. Though I must say, it took me years to realize that. If you have done so a lot earlier, good for you!
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Hogs now sees participation from housewives, accountants, lawyers and school teachers who, on their weekdays appear normal and well adjusted with their medical insurance and 401K's.
Can't resist bugging you, you are leading with your chin Between the Hells angels that were, and the profile specified above that is - where does Marlboro Man fit in?!
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I will buy it for the way it looks and the way it sounds. The bike remains unmatched on these two fronts. I have seen and ridden many a Japanese Harley clone and they just don't have it, that character. No matter how hard they try they are simply unable to clone what makes a Harley so endearing to many
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I have to agree completely with the "freedom" part. But I am not convinced about the "gettting what he paid for" part. I think for the huge price, what one gets is some value plus a lot of hype.

An average Harley may cost ten times as much as a Bullet. But can you honestly say it will be at least twice as good as a Bullet in all respects?
You sir, need to visit the HD website. A V Twin 1584 cc monster engine with custom chrome components, seats designed for maximum comfort, front suspension top of the line, low center of gravity, loads of torque, brilliant paint jobs and an entire lifestyle to go along with it among other things, is simply much more value than a 50+ year old stagnant design, 350/500 cc single cylinder on an obstinate chassis. I love both bikes equally, but come on! A Harley has no comparison in its league. Definitely not from the Bullet by any means! This from me, with a 1962 Bullet 350, a 1988 Std 350 and a 2008 500cc LB in our garage! Consider the fact that my brothers and me own the entire range of RE's for many years and ride them regularly. Also consider that unlike you, we are intimately aware of the HD performance, styling and capabilities. I invite you to visit the HD launch event, sit on one of the hogs, and start the engine. The cobwebs in your mind will be blown away and you shall see the light!

Do not forget that the cost is prohibitive simply because the Indian authorities insist on 60% duties. I guess they want more people to buy commuter bikes made in India, and protect local industry. That may be the "Socialist" bit in the "Sovereign Socialist Republic", and I do not have to accept that because there is a "Democratic" bit in there as well. But, I digress.
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see thsi video, it will clear / settle all doubts about what HD is.

This is not a advt film, its a philosophy. And yeah keep your speakers on for this one.

Amen.
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@gansan, absolutely!! Starting with price, and for a ton of other reasons.
In the US, people who have switched to Bullets call it a lovely little machine, btw, and they only get the 500s. Which they know they should not use on interstates, but are perfect for their backroads. And on which they can fully utilize their DIY hobby. It is getting to have quite a cult following there, the Bullet.
You really gotta be kidding me ppl switiching to bullet in USA. I've lived in the great state of TX,NJ,PA and now in WA. I've seen one bullet dealer in TX and he struggles to sell as Honda scooters you can find one at 650cc. Never came across a bullet dealer in any of those states that I lived in.

I remember one thing, I did attend a cool vintage motorcycle rally that took place in seattle last week, it happens once a year and yes there was one "Royal Enfield Bullet" 500cc and guess what the license place was WA (washington state) on the back and in the front it was TN-07-XXXX. I was so proud that I'm from chennai and this MC came all the way from TN and here in WA, it gave me goosebumps

Will never agree with you as bullet are single inline cyliner and ppl here if they want to go for cool looks othe than a HD/ metric cruisers then there is always "Triumph" which can beat bullet any given day its 2 cylinders parrallely alligned.

Senor, you might be a proud bullet owner but pls tell me how many bullets have you come across in USA if you live here...Finally even HD was inspired from "INDIAN" bikes but pity is that Indian bikes are so good but unfortunately it sucks in sales due to lack of dealership unlike HD
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