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Old 9th November 2015, 16:40   #211
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Old 12th November 2015, 09:56   #212
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OK boys and girls. Ducati has finally introduced the gorgeous Multistrada in India starting 14 lakhs. That's a mouthwatering price. I bet Triumph is gnashing their teeth with the Explorer pricing.
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Old 16th November 2015, 23:05   #213
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Ducati launched the Scrambler Sixty2 a.k.a Scrambler 400 [399 to be precise..] today!

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It makes 41hp from its Desmodronic air-cooled engine and weighs 167kg dry.
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Now the big question is whether Ducati will bring this to India at a more [MORE] mouth watering price?
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Old 16th November 2015, 23:15   #214
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Sixty2 looks really cool, although I was more impressed by the Flat Track Pro. And there's another one to be launched in December in partnership with an Italian fashion firm.

A 400c Ducati would make a lot of sense for the Indian market IMO.

It has the potential for opening the floodgates for Ducati.

But sadly because of the import laws which prohibit entry of anything less than 800cc and the fact that Ducati CEO had recently ruled out Indian manufacturing ops in an interview, it doesn't look likely as of now, unless someone in Bologna can figure out a loophole somewhere.
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Flat track pro is pretty nice. But then they went and screwed up the 959. The cans on those are downright ugly. I am sure the journos there would be scratching their heads by now. I understand new emission norms etc.. But aesthetics comes so naturally to this Italian marquee. And seems like they ran out of ideas this time. The 899 was so beautiful. The only bummer being the exhaust under the seat but this is not the answer to that.
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But sadly because of the import laws which prohibit entry of anything less than 800cc..
There is NO such law in India that PROHIBITS motorcycle less than 800 cc as CBU..

.. the current law just states that any motorcycle less than 800 cc has to undergo Homologation to be sold in India.. regardless of whether its CBU/CKD/SKD

Above 800 cc capacity doesn't need homologation to be sold in India

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There is NO such law in India that PROHIBITS motorcycle less than 800 cc as CBU..
No sir, you are misinformed on this topic. Please go back and check your source of information. The govt has been very clear on this topic for many years now - unless you have a manufacturing unit in place locally, the import is restricted to only 800cc and above, three letter acronyms notwithstanding.

The 'prohibition' is in the form of higher import duties.

The 400cc Scrambler is only $500 cheaper than the 800cc variant. By the time import duties are applied to it, it would cost somewhere in the region of INR14L.

Would you buy a 400cc Scrambler at that price point when it has half the power & torque of its 803cc cousin at nearly twice the price?

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No sir, you are misinformed on this topic. Please go back and check your source of information. The govt has been very clear on this topic for many years now - unless you have a manufacturing unit in place locally, the import is restricted to only 800cc and above, three letter acronyms notwithstanding.

The 'prohibition' is in the form of higher import duties.

The 400cc Scrambler is only $500 cheaper than the 800cc variant. By the time import duties are applied to it, it would cost somewhere in the region of INR14L.

Would you buy a 400cc Scrambler at that price point when it has half the power & torque of its 803cc cousin at nearly twice the price?

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What about Daytona 675?

The Daytona is a CKD, not a CBU.
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Old 17th November 2015, 12:43   #220
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No sir, you are misinformed on this topic. Please go back and check your source of information. The govt has been very clear on this topic for many years now - unless you have a manufacturing unit in place locally, the import is restricted to only 800cc and above, three letter acronyms notwithstanding.
BMW F650 GS (798 CC) was once sold in India as CBU.

Source: http://overdrive.in/reviews/bmw-f-650-gs-road-test/


MV Augusta Brutale 800 (798 cc) currently undergoing Homologation, also to be bought as CBU

Source: http://overdrive.in/reviews/2015-mv-...-review-india/



The source you have quoted, mentions "800 cc or Above" models, doesn't mention anything Below 800 cc.



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The 'prohibition' is in the form of higher import duties.

The 400cc Scrambler is only $500 cheaper than the 800cc variant. By the time import duties are applied to it, it would cost somewhere in the region of INR14L.

Would you buy a 400cc Scrambler at that price point when it has half the power & torque of its 803cc cousin at nearly twice the price

Do you mean to say that the CBU import duties for engine capacities < 800 cc is MORE (?) than the CBU Import duties for engine capacities > 800 cc?




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MV Augusta Brutale 800 (798 cc) currently undergoing Homologation, also to be bought as CBU
Yes I'm also looking forward to the launch of this beauty. But if the launch price of F3 800 is anything to go by, not very hopeful about a reasonable launch price. The 798cc F3 800 which costs INR12L elsewhere, they have priced it at INR26L!

You are also correct in observing that the memo says nothing about below 800c. But that's how the babus in our country work. They expect everyone to read between the lines and make the odd guess here & there!
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You are also correct in observing that the memo says nothing about below 800c.

But that's how the babus in our country work. They expect everyone to read between the lines and make the odd guess here & there!
That's odd.

At least the "Import Duties" would be mentioned somewhere clearly.. can't expect that to be left to be read between the lines.



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At least the "Import Duties" would be mentioned somewhere clearly.. can't expect that to be left to be read between the lines.
In my personal experience, I find that exact rules and percentages are very hard to come by in black & white. I'm sure all this info is tucked away in a file cabinet in a dusty govt office somewhere, shrouded in a cloud of secrecy.

A few years ago when I was relocating back to India, wanted to import my car & bike. Since I couldn't find much definitive info online, I had to make a trip down specifically to get that sorted out before the actual move.

For the bike I was told a range of percentages from 80% to 150%. Eventually it turned out to be 88% plus some approvals from RTO and other incidental application fees. But all this info, only after several visits in person and talking to God only know how many babus.
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Yes I'm also looking forward to the launch of this beauty. But if the launch price of F3 800 is anything to go by, not very hopeful about a reasonable launch price. The 798cc F3 800 which costs INR12L elsewhere, they have priced it at INR26L!

You are also correct in observing that the memo says nothing about below 800c. But that's how the babus in our country work. They expect everyone to read between the lines and make the odd guess here & there!
The DGFT website is amazing. In one place, they say import of motorcycles between 250-500cc is banned. In another, they have duty as 75%. The system is so opaque that no one outside the babudom can understand it.

I recently ordered a pair of boots that cost $105. The duty was 6,000/- When I rang the customs post office they said you pay the duty or we will seize the shipment and then you can begin court proceedings.

When I told them it was for personal use they said imports are banned and they're doing me a favor by letting me have the shipment as without an importer license, nothing is allowed. Sigh, and then they talk about good governance.
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Boggles the mind.

Maybe a Query on Mr. Modi Pet Project www.MakeInIndia.com might give some clear insight.



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