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Old 23rd March 2012, 22:45   #121
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Here is a completely different perspective. In at least 2 occasions, I feel that it would have been real difficult to come out without 4wd. Both inside Bangalore city. I own a 4x4 TCIC safari with a bull bar, which increases the turning radius. In the first instance, I had to take 90 degrees left to a steep incline to come out of the parking lot. The incline was close to 40-50 degrees (higher for the second instance). The car just could not climb the slope from standstill (I had to come to a standstill after taking the turn). However, when I engaged 4L 1st, the car came out easily.

In another instance, I used 4H on a beach. It definitely makes the car more stable.

Now if I have to climb a steep incline (road or parking), I simply put it to 4L 1st and the car moves easily without any half clutch.

So I would say a 4wd is definitely better in such instances.
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Old 23rd March 2012, 23:45   #122
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The incline was close to 40-50 degrees (higher for the second instance).
40-50 degree incline(and even higher in second instance!) at the parking lot, you sure about this? How would cars like Nano/other cars driven by learners or ladies climb this out in a public parking?
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You need to experience this to believe this. I am not sure who on earth could create a design like that. On top of that the 'roof' of the place where you turn from immediately before the incline is so low that my safari roof rails scrapped cement and I had to back up. This is a hotel in Richmond road.

Normally they have valet parking I guess but I make sure whenever I go to a hotel I park myself.

For small cars they would have an edge as they could gain momentum before turning. Because of huge turning radius of my car, and the height of the roof, that is not possible for me and I have to start from stand-still.

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You need to experience this to believe this. I am not sure who on earth could create a design like that.
Even a 20 degree incline feels like lot more then what it is in reality. 45 degree is highly unlikely and most cars will face issues with approach/departure angles and not just with the lugging power to climb it.
Another question is, is it safe to use 4L on a concrete surface (I know Safari has rear LSD so it must be fine)
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Well, it could be little lesser, but my car usually climbs slopes upto 35 degrees on its own without requiring 4L. Whatever it was, it was scary. Anybody going to the hotel in Richmond Road Bangalore would be advised to check the parking lot first (it is the first hotel on your left if you take a left on RichMond Road while travelling from Forum).

It was a straight climb, so I guess it was safe to use 4L even if it was concrete.
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What is the tyre size on the old Forester? Is it possible at all that it may be the same as the stock ones on the new Yeti?
Guna - maybe you can help answer this?
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Talking about Forester, I see this every day just outside the building that I live in. And how many times have I thought of leaving my business card with a message ("Would you be interested to sell this to me?") on the windshield of this car. This one has absolutely no estate-kinda-looks and those bumper-claddings topped with fog lights and wheels give it a pretty aggressive stance.
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What is the tyre size on the old Forester? Is it possible at all that it may be the same as the stock ones on the new Yeti?
Guna - maybe you can help answer this?
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The Forester came with a very odd size as stock - 205/70 R15. The Yeti comes with 215/60 R16. Why do you ask?
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I saw that pic of the old forester with some mean and purposeful looking tyres on it. I have a Yeti whose OEM tyres are not that tough - they are more for highway/ road driving than for off road or bad roads. And it is very tough to get a replacement set of tougher tyres in the same size spec as the Yeti OEM ones. I thought perhaps the Forester may have come with a similar spec and thats why I wanted to know.

If I remember right the Fusion came with 195/65 or 70 / 15 spec tyres which are also not useful in my case.

I still have plenty of life in my tyres as they are only 4 months old now but there is no harm in doing ones research earlier rather than later.

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The Forester came with a very odd size as stock - 205/70 R15. The Yeti comes with 215/60 R16. Why do you ask?
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The Forester came with a very odd size as stock - 205/70 R15. The Yeti comes with 215/60 R16. Why do you ask?
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I saw that pic of the old forester with some mean and purposeful looking tyres on it.
The owner may have upgraded to 215/70/ R15. (Even the stock doesn't look under tired on Forester.).

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The Yeti tyres are ok as of now. No need to change.
Maybe later.
But I am doing the research well in advance!

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The owner may have upgraded to 215/70/ R15. (Even the stock doesn't look under tired on Forester.).
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I did some kind of "off roading" in my T-Fort today. The road was totally dug up and littered with man holes about 150mm high. I had absolute confidence that i would manage to cross that road. Friends said that such a road would be impossible to manoeuvre. I would say that having 4wd and high ground clearance does give you great confidence in such a situation.
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