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Old 21st January 2015, 15:03   #61
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I am in a similar confusion now a days. I am planning to buy New Scorpio or XUV 500, and then I know about Renault Lodgy which will be launched soon.

My requirement is for a vehicle which has possibility to seat 7 for outstation trips (once in two or three months), easy to drive in city or on highway- light clutch or auto, reasonable fuel bills, should be able to take on our road conditions & road floods (Delhi NCR)

Please suggest your recommendations.

(Ertiga, Mobilio, Innova - somehow, no one in my family likes these)

I read through several posts here and other threads, and I may go for New Scorpio S4+ for the following reasons :
- Fresh and new interiors, engine and transmission
- handling seems ok
- Mahindra service is also fine and spares should not be an issue
- S4+ variant has all safety features, not much on gadgets
- Gadgets on Mahindra vehicles are known to have issues
- long time proven history in our conditions

Why not XUV 500
- I did not like looks, both inside and outside
- larger turning diameter
- hard/harsh suspension
- many issues reported by owners


Why not Lodgy ?
- Not proven in Indian conditions
- could be a hit or miss -> if it is a miss, will be big impact for me.
- cannot wait for six months-one year to know if it will be successful
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Default Ladakh Self-Drive - Scorpio or XUV?

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5 of us are planning a trip to Ladakh in June end. We prefer to drive down in a self-driven car since we all love to drive and take no pleasure in being driven (although some of us are going to shunt between hired enfields and the car). We live in bangalore and are planning to zoomcar our way from Delhi to Ladakh (and back, via manali).

I've rented from both zoomcar and carzonrent many times in the past few years and zoom clearly has much better service and tarrif/deposit policies (perhaps more on my horrific experience with carzonrent in a separate longer thread sometime in the future).

Now its all coming down to choosing our ride - an XUV or a Scorpio (2 only appropriate options from the list of cars they provide for a ladakh road trip). disclaimer: I own an XUV myself (but living in bangalore so can't drive down in my own car... sigh), so am a little biased towards the beast. However I've read on multiple forums (including team-bhp's scorpio/XUV review threads, and other places), that a Scorpio is more rugged for off-roading / rough terrains, because of it's ladder on frame chassis, rear wheel drive, apparently higher clearance, longer suspension travel and softer damping and perceived notions of an XUV not being a true SUV, etc.

Can bhpians shed some light on the subject? Scorpio/XUV owners who've driven down to Ladakh, what's your experience? I've seen ladakh travelogues of both car owners here.. so the best place to ask. Tell me your thoughts.
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Default Re: Ladakh Self-Drive - Scorpio or XUV?

Both these vehicles have different dynamics and their own share of advantages and disadvantages. Scorpio has a better ride quality and absorbs the pot holes easily which reduces the undulations to the cabin and off course it is more rugged vehicle out of both the choices for off-roading. Where as XUV being a monocoque design with a stiffer suspension is more stable but the ride quality is not as good as Scorpio and small undulations are transferred to the cabin.
But on the other side Scorpio has more body roll as compared to XUV and it shakes a lot due to its design. And when it comes to space XUV wins hands down. Since you will be driving all the way from Bangalore you need to calculate how long you will be driving on tarmac and how long you will be driving off-road. This will help you decide whether you should go for a soft roader or an Off roader.
Talking about GC I guess XUV has enough GC of 200mm as compared to Scorpio’s 180mm for your trip. Also the seats and cabin feels more airy in the XUV which you should take into consideration as well since you will be covering a good distance.
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Hi,

5 of us are planning a trip to Ladakh in June end. We prefer to drive down in a self-driven car since we all love to drive and take no pleasure in being driven (although some of us are going to shunt between hired enfields and the car). We live in bangalore and are planning to zoomcar our way from Delhi to Ladakh (and back, via manali).

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Can bhpians shed some light on the subject? Scorpio/XUV owners who've driven down to Ladakh, what's your experience? I've seen ladakh travelogues of both car owners here.. so the best place to ask. Tell me your thoughts.
If space and driving dynamics is not really a huge concern, pick the Scorpio. If possible, ask them for the 4WD version, just in case!

XUV will be more comfortable for the trip, given the space and the superb seats.
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Talking about GC I guess XUV has enough GC of 200mm as compared to Scorpio’s 180mm for your trip. Also the seats and cabin feels more airy in the XUV which you should take into consideration as well since you will be covering a good distance.
That is the GC *on paper* In reality, a Scorpio might not scrape anywhere whereas you have to be careful with the XUV.

Ride quality, the XUV will have the upper hand, just that the surprise pothole's effect will be felt more.

If available, try to go for the AWD version of XUV or the 4WD version of Scorpio. You can really explore places then.
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that a Scorpio is more rugged for off-roading / rough terrains, because of it's ladder on frame chassis, rear wheel drive, apparently higher clearance, longer suspension travel and softer damping and perceived notions of an XUV not being a true SUV, etc..
Ladakh is not off roading. Its trail driving. Comparing a 2WD XUV and a 2WD Scorpio the advantages scorpio has are
1. More robust underbody, can take some serious hits(which can be avoided if you drive carefully)
2. Better water fording capability due to higher air intake.

For the normal ladakh circuit, I would recommend the XUV as it would keep you more comfortable without bouncing you around. From Delhi to Manali, for example. XUV will be much better. Even in Ladakh, on the tarred roads near Nubra, Leh etc., the XUV will keep you far more comfortable.
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Ladakh is not off roading. Its trail driving. Comparing a 2WD XUV and a 2WD Scorpio the advantages scorpio has are
I think this is an apt comparison as Zoomcars so far have only 2wd vehicles and no 4wds yet. Dont know about Carzonrent.

Additionally i think Ladakh will be a minor part of the trip considering you are travelling from Bangalore - on all other roads, think XUV might be the winner
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SO if you talk about off roading go for the S6 or S8 4WD.
4WD is available with either the S4 or the S10.

And, you are so right about the maddening Bhagalpur traffic
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I am planning to buy either of the 2. The vehicle will be used daily in the city and for doing trips to my home town Goa maybe 5 times a year from Mumbai.

80% of the time only me and my wife will be occupying the car and not really buying to move people.

I have narrowed down to Scorpio S10 and XUV W8

I have following questions -

Does the new Scorpio match up to the XUV's dynamics and refinement ?

Is the fancy equipment in a Mahindra vehicle designed to last long ? In which case I would stick to S8 or W6.


How is the suspension in terms of longevity of these 2 vehicles and after how many kms does it need attention if abused on rural roads. Any better than smaller cars ?

Will appreciate inputs from people who have experience owning these.

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I have following questions -

Does the new Scorpio match up to the XUV's dynamics and refinement ?

Is the fancy equipment in a Mahindra vehicle designed to last long ? In which case I would stick to S8 or W6.


How is the suspension in terms of longevity of these 2 vehicles and after how many kms does it need attention if abused on rural roads. Any better than smaller cars ?

Will appreciate inputs from people who have experience owning these.
  • XUV is much more dynamically accomplished than the Scorpio. It has a better ride as well as handling.
  • There maybe some glitches here and there in the electronics, but nothing that will make you bang your head. If you can afford, go for the W8, especially for the additional safety features.
  • The suspension is pretty robust. At most, it may need some re-torquing to reduce the thuds on rough roads.
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I am planning to buy either of the 2. The vehicle will be used daily in the city and for doing trips to my home town Goa maybe 5 times a year from Mumbai.

80% of the time only me and my wife will be occupying the car and not really buying to move people.

I have narrowed down to Scorpio S10 and XUV W8

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Does the new Scorpio match up to the XUV's dynamics and refinement ?
Yes and No, both vehicles have different type of contruction so they have different sets of weaknesses and strength. Good Road and at Speed XUV is superior, at non existent road and rural track Scorpio is superior. XUV has superior handling but Scorpio is sturdy and capable off the road.

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Is the fancy equipment in a Mahindra vehicle designed to last long ? In which case I would stick to S8 or W6.
6 Airbags and ESP are not fancy equipment, they are fitted to save lives, i absolutely recommend the W8 variant for the safety of the passengers.

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How is the suspension in terms of longevity of these 2 vehicles and after how many kms does it need attention if abused on rural roads. Any better than smaller cars ?
Suspension longevity is not an issue with either of the vehicles, but you will have to replace the rubber components after a certain mileage possibly around 75k to 100k kms as preventive maintenance but longevity is not an concern with both.

For urban usage i'd prefer a XUV over Scorpio but if you frequently step off the road or your need to travel to places with no roads Scorpio is better.

I just posted a quick comparison between XUV and new Scorpio's dynamics here in Sheel's ownership thread: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...ml#post3741553
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Will appreciate inputs from people who have experience owning these.
This post might be of interest to you:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post3741553

Cheers,
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