The TATA Lottery or the FORD Pocket Drainer!! - Page 3 - Team-BHP

esteem_lover · 10th January 2007, 16:15

See there are TATA fans who will vouch for the safari. Then there are the TATA haters who will vouch against the safari. It all depends who you are & what you want.

Are you the gambling type ??? then go for the lottery. If you are intending to keep the car for only 3-4 years, go for the pocket drainer, it wont drain that much.
or make a safe decision, get a NHC as someone suggested or wait for the new baleno.
or if you can expand your budget, get the innova.

After all this, if you still like the safari, take it man, after all you should be satisfied first.

Steeroid · 10th January 2007, 16:41

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Originally Posted by esteem_lover

Are you the gambling type ??? then go for the lottery. If you are intending to keep the car for only 3-4 years, go for the pocket drainer, it wont drain that much. or make a safe decision, get a NHC as someone suggested or wait for the new baleno. or if you can expand your budget, get the innova.

While you're about it, check out the Rhino Rover - Bunny's been posting some nice pictures of the interiors of a version that may or may not be launched.

benbsb29 · 10th January 2007, 16:52

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

While you're about it, check out the Rhino Rover - Bunny's been posting some nice pictures of the interiors of a version that may or may not be launched.

From Safari to Fiesta to Scorpio, and now Rover???

w 12 · 10th January 2007, 17:05

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Originally Posted by gemithomas

W12, check it out at any comparitive sites. for eg carewale.com and if you look at it you will see that all reviews talk about the poor braking and handling (but without figures).

BUT you mentioned specific numbers for 100 - O time for scorpio., as double that of Innova and 20 meteres more than Dicor. My question is..

2. Who tested the 3 side by side ? where ? when?

3.What are the comparative numbers for all 3 vehicles?

Also The 100 - 0 braking numbers given for innova in carwale is 43.2 and for scorpio is 71.7...

Since when did 43.2 x 2 become 71.7 and NOT 86.4 ? Something does not add up.

esteem_lover · 10th January 2007, 17:07

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

While you're about it, check out the Rhino Rover - Bunny's been posting some nice pictures of the interiors of a version that may or may not be launched.

While i'm about what ??? could you elucidate for a dull mind please ??

gemithomas · 11th January 2007, 13:17

100kmph-0 (Braking)
meters50.3243.271.780kmph-0 (Braking)meters32.5829.744.6

gemithomas · 11th January 2007, 13:27

Sorry for the wrong numbers. Here are the actuals mentioed at carewale.

100kmph-0 (Braking)meters50.3243.271.780kmph-0 (Braking)meters32.5829.744.6
Safari Innova Scorpio
You could also read this

"The brakes have been improved with more bite and quicker response, but still lack a linear feel, tending to grab at the last moment. They feel over-servoed as well: stab the brakes and the rear wheels lock up immediately. This is quite a pain, and can get scary if you're forced to brake mid-corner: over-compensate on the brakes and you'll be punished with a scream from the rear, and an already jiggly rear end stepping happily out of line. The biggest thief of confidence, however, is the over-light steering, which lacks feel, and is telegraph-like in its response and accuracy. " (Indiacar.com - MAHINDRA SCORPIO CRDe)

I DONT INTEND TO SAY THAT ITS NOT A GOOD VEHICLE. ALL I SAY THAT ITS NOT WORTH THE KIND OF MONEY THEY ARE ASKING.

gemithomas · 11th January 2007, 13:34

oh god what are happend to these numbers. they got into each other.

read this

100kmph-0(Braking) in meters Innova(43.2) SAfari(50.32) Scorpio(71.7)
80kmph-0(Braking in meters Innova(29.7) SAfari(32.58) Scorpio(44.6)

w 12 · 11th January 2007, 14:21

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Originally Posted by gemithomas

100kmph-0 (Braking)
meters50.3243.271.780kmph-0 (Braking)meters32.5829.744.6

To reiterate 43.2 x 2 = 86.4 NOT 71.7 and 29.7 x 2 = 59.4 NOT 44.6

SO your earlier assertion that braking numbers for Scorpio is a "neat double" that of Innova is completely wrong.

You can like / buy any car you want but you dont have to twist facts to put down other cars in the process IMO.

suman · 11th January 2007, 14:59

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Originally Posted by w 12

You can like / buy any car you want but you dont have to twist facts to put down other cars in the process IMO.

You have a point but these numbers are SHOCKING to say the least - those are one hell of a lot more meters for the Scorpio compared to the other two, for the 80-0 that's 40 FEET MORE compared to the Safari - that's what, about 2.5 SAFARI LENGTHS MORE!!!!!! For the 100-0, its even more.

Jeezzzz.............that's scary!!!!

w 12 · 11th January 2007, 15:47

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Originally Posted by suman

Jeezzzz.............that's scary!!!!

you bet.. especially since we do not know the source / validity of those numbers

gemithomas · 11th January 2007, 16:03

W12 please try to understand that i never wanted to put down any vehicle. I just said that i dont think they have high class engineering that really needs to put it at around 1.3 lakhs above the safari. Please check the features you get at 7.14 L on the safari and the ones you get on the Scorpio. Now i would really think twice wheter i need ot pay that money just for the Engine refinement that the scorpio claims of. I dont think there is any other factor in which the scorp will come in front of the safari.

oho..!!!! is this now getting to be a fight over scorpio VS safari. I just wanted to buy a vehicle!!!

hrag · 11th January 2007, 17:18

Look at it this way

If you bought and drove a Fiesta, every time you saw a Safari, you would have that ache in your heart...

Would you feel the same way driving a Safari and seeing a Fiesta?

Steeroid · 11th January 2007, 17:40

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Originally Posted by gemithomas

is this now getting to be a fight over scorpio VS safari. I just wanted to buy a vehicle!!!

Correct. Whatever be the assumptions or reasons it is now clear that you do not wish to consider the Scorpio, therefore we should stick to the Pocket Drainer and the Lottery.

himanshugoswami · 11th January 2007, 17:44

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Originally Posted by gemithomas

I DONT INTEND TO SAY THAT ITS NOT A GOOD VEHICLE. ALL I SAY THAT ITS NOT WORTH THE KIND OF MONEY THEY ARE ASKING.

I agree!

I called up Mahindra Dealer India Garage and asked him how he could justify the 1.2 L price diff between Dicor LX and Scorpio DX. The only hting he could come up with that the Scorpio has a Stereo (CD) as standard! Then I told him about the safari's electric mirrors and he had nothing to say.

He rambled on and on about "better service, cheaper spares etc....but by then I had logged off...."

P.S. Post no. 500!!!!

10th January 2007, 16:15	#31 (permalink)
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 6,271 View My Garage	See there are TATA fans who will vouch for the safari. Then there are the TATA haters who will vouch against the safari. It all depends who you are & what you want. Are you the gambling type ??? then go for the lottery. If you are intending to keep the car for only 3-4 years, go for the pocket drainer, it wont drain that much. or make a safe decision, get a NHC as someone suggested or wait for the new baleno. or if you can expand your budget, get the innova. After all this, if you still like the safari, take it man, after all you should be satisfied first. __________________ "Keep your friends close, Keep your enemies closer"

11th January 2007, 17:18	#43 (permalink)
hrag Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bangalore / Madras Posts: 1,997 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	Look at it this way If you bought and drove a Fiesta, every time you saw a Safari, you would have that ache in your heart... Would you feel the same way driving a Safari and seeing a Fiesta? __________________ Feb 1997 Bajaj KB125 RTZ 48K km Mar 2003 Tata Indica V2 LSi 101K km Jan 2007 Tata Safari 3.0 DiCOR EX 4x4 78K km

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11th January 2007, 13:17	#36 (permalink)
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 1,201 View My Garage	100kmph-0 (Braking) meters50.3243.271.780kmph-0 (Braking)meters32.5829.744.6

11th January 2007, 13:27	#37 (permalink)
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 1,201 View My Garage	Sorry for the wrong numbers. Here are the actuals mentioed at carewale. 100kmph-0 (Braking)meters50.3243.271.780kmph-0 (Braking)meters32.5829.744.6 Safari Innova Scorpio You could also read this "The brakes have been improved with more bite and quicker response, but still lack a linear feel, tending to grab at the last moment. They feel over-servoed as well: stab the brakes and the rear wheels lock up immediately. This is quite a pain, and can get scary if you're forced to brake mid-corner: over-compensate on the brakes and you'll be punished with a scream from the rear, and an already jiggly rear end stepping happily out of line. The biggest thief of confidence, however, is the over-light steering, which lacks feel, and is telegraph-like in its response and accuracy. " (Indiacar.com - MAHINDRA SCORPIO CRDe) I DONT INTEND TO SAY THAT ITS NOT A GOOD VEHICLE. ALL I SAY THAT ITS NOT WORTH THE KIND OF MONEY THEY ARE ASKING.

11th January 2007, 13:34	#38 (permalink)
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 1,201 View My Garage	oh god what are happend to these numbers. they got into each other. read this 100kmph-0(Braking) in meters Innova(43.2) SAfari(50.32) Scorpio(71.7) 80kmph-0(Braking in meters Innova(29.7) SAfari(32.58) Scorpio(44.6)

11th January 2007, 16:03	#42 (permalink)
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 1,201 View My Garage	W12 please try to understand that i never wanted to put down any vehicle. I just said that i dont think they have high class engineering that really needs to put it at around 1.3 lakhs above the safari. Please check the features you get at 7.14 L on the safari and the ones you get on the Scorpio. Now i would really think twice wheter i need ot pay that money just for the Engine refinement that the scorpio claims of. I dont think there is any other factor in which the scorp will come in front of the safari. oho..!!!! is this now getting to be a fight over scorpio VS safari. I just wanted to buy a vehicle!!!