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Old 3rd September 2007, 12:45   #1
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Default Jonga 4x4 or M&M Jeep CJ3B 4x4

I have an opportunity to acquire either a Jepp 4x4 GS M&M CJ38 or a
Jonga 4x4 GS NSN from army disposal. While the M&M website is blank &
silent on CJ38, Jonga from the Nissan stable is a 6 cyl 3956 cc Petrol
developing 110 BHP @ 3200 RPM.

Guys, I need advice and a comparison as to which is a better buy. More
details of CJ38 would be welcome..
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Jonga positives:
1) Baap of the Mahindra: 300Nm torque and equally larger in size.
2) Old Nissan Patrol : so it comes with japanese reliability
3) Exclusivity:Not many are available now and hence, value will appreciate if maintained well.

Jonga Negatives:
1) Discontinued Military vehicle: Spares are very tough to source.
2) Petrol : Its not a Fuel-efficient vehicle and will gobble ur wallet if u're planning to make it a daily drive.

Mahindra Positives:
1)Spares & service : As Cheap and as easy as it can get in India
2)Diesel : Hence, economical.

Mahindra Negatives:
1)Massey Ferguson: The Mahindra drives and sounds like a tractor.The top speed should be around 80kph.So, this wouldn't make for a pleasant cruiser.
2)Reliability: One off-road trip and the weakest links fall off.Especially the brakes.

These are my experiences from owning a Mahindra and regularly going off-road in another.
If I were U, I'd just get the Jonga for its exclusivity. About the parts, U wouldn't need to worry since U live in Gurgaon ;and Mayapuri is accessible for U.

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Jonga's listed torque - 26.9 mkg @ 1200 RPM

Could you elaborate more on the Mahindra Reliability that you listed?

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Jonga positives:
1) Baap of the Mahindra: 300Nm torque and equally larger in size.
2) Old Nissan Patrol : so it comes with japanese reliability
3) Exclusivity:Not many are available now and hence, value will appreciate if maintained well.

Jonga Negatives:
1) Discontinued Military vehicle: Spares are very tough to source.
2) Petrol : Its not a Fuel-efficient vehicle and will gobble ur wallet if u're planning to make it a daily drive.

Mahindra Positives:
1)Spares & service : As Cheap and as easy as it can get in India
2)Diesel : Hence, economical.

Mahindra Negatives:
1)Massey Ferguson: The Mahindra drives and sounds like a tractor.The top speed should be around 80kph.So, this wouldn't make for a pleasant cruiser.
2)Reliability: One off-road trip and the weakest links fall off.Especially the brakes.

These are my experiences from owning a Mahindra and regularly going off-road in another.
If I were U, I'd just get the Jonga for its exclusivity. About the parts, U wouldn't need to worry since U live in Gurgaon ;and Mayapuri is accessible for U.
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Is that 26.9 or 29.6 ?
A friend who owns one and is currently restoring it,gave me the latter .It doesn't make much of a difference though.

My experience with Mahindra reliability is off-road. A few sorry examples i've come across lose 4wd all of a sudden. Brake failure is a very common issue with Mahindra jeeps. A lot of electrical issues like the main wire burning up which i've experienced in two jeeps.To sum up, after an off-road session, the jeeps limp back home like soldiers do after a battle.
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This is what the 'sarkar' says:

Jonga (4x4)

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Is that 26.9 or 29.6 ?
A friend who owns one and is currently restoring it,gave me the latter .It doesn't make much of a difference though.

My experience with Mahindra reliability is off-road. A few sorry examples i've come across lose 4wd all of a sudden. Brake failure is a very common issue with Mahindra jeeps. A lot of electrical issues like the main wire burning up which i've experienced in two jeeps.To sum up, after an off-road session, the jeeps limp back home like soldiers do after a battle.
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The ex-Army GS CJ3B are powered by the F4-134 Hurricane Petrol Engine.
Weight - 1143Kgs
Engine - 2190cc 73 Bhp petrol 15.5 Kgm @ 2000Rpm

While most parts are available for the M&M.
It is extremely difficult to get JONGA parts.

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Nitrous, Mahindras are extremely reliable bone stock. Yes, they have niggling issues here and there but most of them are pretty small. I have never heard of brakes falling off a Mahindra in my many trysts with off-roading. And with a combined 1000 Jeeps.
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Thanks dude. Where did you get the winch from for your other M&M and for how much. I've been looking for one for long. Could you post your detailed review & experiences in terms of maintainance, FE etc for CJ3B?

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The ex-Army GS CJ3B are powered by the F4-134 Hurricane Petrol Engine.
Weight - 1143Kgs
Engine - 2190cc 73 Bhp petrol 15.5 Kgm @ 2000Rpm

While most parts are available for the M&M.
It is extremely difficult to get JONGA parts.

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I'm slowly veering towards M&M Jeep CJ3B 4x4. I've been told that before buying inspection will be allowed.

Any suggestions?
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I would suggest The mahindra. Atleast spares will be available. Both the vehicles would need a good restoration work. Just a brainwave, can the jonga's engine be swapped with a modern deisel one??? Maybe the Spacio's torbo Diesel can do the job.

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Congo man! A CJ3B will keep you very very happy. Just search within the forums; I have covered some points to look out for when considering a used Classic.
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I would suggest The mahindra. Atleast spares will be available. Both the vehicles would need a good restoration work. Just a brainwave, can the jonga's engine be swapped with a modern deisel one??? Maybe the Spacio's torbo Diesel can do the job.

yes the jonga can take the spacio engine and also bigger than that, when VFJ was trying to sell jongas to public,they had diesel engines from the shaktiman with an opptional 5speed gear box[ I think they where using Hino engines in this truck towards the end of products and same was used in the jonga]
it was a 4liter N.A. engine,produced 110 bhp, the turbo version of this engine was 145 bhp but that was used only on civilian trucks.
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Thank you GTO. I tried searching but wasn't able to find. Probably might be using wrong search words. Can you please post the relevant link?

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No sweat GD. Here you go:

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Nitrous, Mahindras are extremely reliable bone stock. Yes, they have niggling issues here and there but most of them are pretty small. I have never heard of brakes falling off a Mahindra in my many trysts with off-roading. And with a combined 1000 Jeeps.
Im sorry. I was referring to the CJ3Bs which the army were using till the late 80s since that is what he's gonna get from the army canteen.
The newer Mahindra Classics like the one U own have a world of a difference.
I accept what U've posted about the newer Mahindras.
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