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Old 11th March 2008, 11:44   #136
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Personally, I have a long term perspective on any car that I own and spend a lot of time in choosing one. For all future buyers (including me) - I would like to initiate an analysis for the Toyota Innova. Members, feel fee to modify the excel sheet I have attached for your analysis ( and also host your own - shared on google Google Docs - Innova Analysis 30012008).

The report is structured progressively and in the times to come, I require all your assistance in making it better:
  • Stage 1.Variant Choice (Diesel Vs Petrol, 7 Seater Vs 8 Seater)
  • Stage 2.Price Discovery (City Level =Interest Cost, Dealer Discount, Road Tax)
  • Stage 3.Running Cost (Petrol Vs Diesel)
  • Stage 4.TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) (Assuming 1 Lakh Kms in 3 years)
Fellow members (who already own one) can start contributing to Stage 3 and 4 if they so desire. I am sure this will benefit every one of us and once finished, we can apply this model to other cars as well.

Innova is the true ‘more car per car’ and comes with features like bottle and nick-nack holders and cubby holes , 5+Seating Capacity, 3 row seating, Twin blower AC

Stage 1.Variant Choice
Just as the Innova comes in a variety of configurations, so has Toyota got the opportunity to position the variants at such price points that one is inclined toward the 'V' Series. I am sure there was a lot of homework that went into the same as much as it is to analyze and arrive at the final choice when it comes to variants.

E Series

I have taken off the E Series for two basic reasons: no P/Steering and grey bumpers.The V Series is a tad too expensive (I mean crosses the 1 million barrier)
Petrol Vs. Diesel
The Petrol is attractive because:
a)Engine with VVTI
b)Better Power 2 Weight Ratio
c)Lower NVH
d)Longer Engine Life
e)Longer Service Cycles
f)Lower Service Costs
g)Cheaper Spares (Engine)

8 Vs 7 Seater

Pros for a 7 Seater

Captain Seats: Classy
Higher Price
Ergonomics: Armrests

Cons for a 7 Seater
Higher Road Tax
Less Change of people asking u for a hitch ( u also need to fold up the third row)
Not available in petrol at all
If refer to my first quote.... we have covered Stage 1 and Stage 2 till now.

Just to wrap them up...some points below

Careful planning is necessary for Variant Choice . U never know what u need from outside.
  • Innova is the best deal available in the market today with a RWD setup (longer life than FWD axles),
  • Longitudinal engine layout, (easier service and least mechanical radiator fan failure)
  • easy placement of underbody components and mechanicals like.... access to fuel tank, timing belt, silencer etc.
  • Toyota has kept in mind the entire lifecycle of the vehicle: >>>>>>Purchase > resale > refurbishment > scrap
  • Toyota has also set the preventive maintenance planner calendar for owners, so that their reputation does not go down if their even 10 year old vehicle breaks down.
  • Which another car company has so much foresight , and that also for the Indian market?
  • Take it for granted: Our roads are never going to come up to international standards until we get 50 years old...till then cars with Body on ladder type setups will be better bets.
Given a second choice, Corolla falls in place, personally.

So now we continue with Stage 3 and 4 as we become mature owners:
  • Stage 3.Running Cost (Petrol Vs Diesel)
  • Stage 4.TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) (Assuming 1 Lakh Kms in 3 years)
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Old 12th March 2008, 14:42   #137
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Default Some Facts about Innova 3 Row AC

I came upon an Innova whose Rear AC was being fixed.

It has another unit fitted behind the rear wheel RHS and also has a air filter. In that is a cooling coil, Air filter, blower fan and control wiring ...and uses the gas pipes from the compressor..somewhat like a miniature AC.

The cooling coil was very small...smaller than an M800 one.
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Congrats Basu on your new car. Innova in black looks awesome but is a huge pain maintaining it from scratches and dust. But, i am sure you will keep it clean and immaculate ( at least till when the car is brand new)
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Default Innova Maintenance Schedule/ PMP

Though this is present in the manual, this post could be an easy reckoner.
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Congrats! I am impressed after studying maintenance plan details in toyota website, well done!

Now I realize why I hear wind type sound when seated in back seat ride side when Ac is on, by your photo of AC coil/filter now my doubt is solved

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Got in touch with one Mr. Anil of Car Accessories Dealer - "Car Jewel" beside KIMS on Minister Road, Hyderabad. and explained him my requirement.

Initially I fitted the JVC 7" Display but didnt like it so I went back to pioneer normal mp3 HU.(The dealer was generous enough to let me roll back to my choice - of a normal HU.)

The problem with a DVD player screen fitted on the Dash is that u cant make out anything on a day time nor the viewing angle is correct nor can be adjusted.

I had also fitted rear camera...but was of no use...now a fiat uno indicator is poked into the hole on the bumper where the camera was.

Rest....4 Channel AMP and Kenwood Woofers and Pioneer Tweeters.

I retained the Original Door Speakers and the whole system rocks!

Let me assure u...the door speakers have excellent mid range and donot get distorted upto 85% volume level.

Am still hunting for alloys. The best quote I got for the steel rims are Rs. 300 each and wheel caps Rs. 100 each. The alloys range between 14 -16K for a set of four.
See the pics...looks like an OHS (Open Heart Surgery)...and the last pic...the dealer..showing the alloy RIM...which I didnt buy.
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you havent changed the centre console yet?

those rims will look pretty good. see this

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with Akshay, those rims look really neat. Especially on a black one.
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you havent changed the centre console yet?

those rims will look pretty good. see this

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Hey Man thats a gr8 thing u did !

I dont know how to thank you ..... hah.... gr8...

Yes I know but I kind like the one I posted earlier (attached)...its even got a name.. Manik ...see the link: BSA Manik Hyper Silver - Tyres: 195/50-15 - 6.5X15 from £279.96 was £289.96 SAVE £10

No I may not go for centre console.... as we couples jump front and rear seats frequently while eating at drive in dhabas... so presently its free access.. In any case centre console is unavailable.

As for the stereo ...its boooming... never thought it would be so much bass in a large volume car. I retained the OE speakers.

Hey can u do another brilliant superimpose with the picture I am attaching....(with the insides black of course). This ones coming for 16K...

and the ones u superimposed comes for 14K.

I'm getting 300 per rim and 100 per w/cap in kolkata Vis a vis... 150 pe rim and zero for w .caps in Hyd.
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Ok/... tank to tank... I ran 600 kms for little less than 46 litres. .... in the heavy city traffic... 13 kmpl/with AC compulsorily ON... say what.

(I change gears correctly, but wont the mileage increase 5000 kms plus?)
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here are those wheels-

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@Akshay, great skill dude.

Basu, IMO, the black finish looks way way better.
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@Akshay, great skill dude.

Basu, IMO, the black finish looks way way better.


I vote for BLACK...
BLACK stips matck with the body color.
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Hey Tirthankar,
1st and foremost i would like to ask what purpose are you planning on buying an innova for?
If it's for daily driving and only you and your wife then i suggest you dont go in for it.
It is a wonderful car and almost sedan like to drive but Parking in a city will be a hindrance.

Anyways, awaiting your reply for it's usage pattern
Yes the Car is meant for Me and Mrs. and 50% city use and 50% Highways.
I did not want a vehicle that makes me crib everytime I go over a pothole. or flooded streets.. This vehicle maintains its composure and has higher GC.

You are correct... Parking is a hassle... there are two Major Blind spots The two D Pillars (and I have the 3rd row always folded up).

But seeing the car... jaywalkers are more careful... and all smaller cars give a lot of respect... the only prob is with bikers crouching beside those D pillars as if planning an ambush.

Many places I got spl. treatment parking till now (where the security refused me to park my astra) mainly because they feel pride in allowing a larger vehicle to park.

ANd its tall so better angle of vision.... and better far-vision (as u can look over most cars ahead of you) I guess thats suits me.

Its been more than a week.... the diesel rattle is more familiar thing and Im absolutely happy with the G1. (Could do with manual windows too!)
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here are those wheels-

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Thats great again...

but the 'insides' are gonna be black like the earlier one ... I saw them on the roads... can u do another touch up pls?
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