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Old 18th March 2008, 16:15   #151
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shall do it in a few minutes. now for the petes box. makes such a difference at all rpms.
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Hey Basu,
that was a late reply but since you said u will be 50% highways as well, id say the innova is a great choice, in the city too. Like you mentioned, it goes over bad roads like nobody's business. Roads on which i generally twitch when in a sedan, same roads i just go over with no twitching whatsoever in the Innova. Also, the bullying the other cars is also great fun - not all, just the ones that drive like idiots, they become normal the second they see the huge car they are messing with

Also, i vote for the black rims as of now. Am waiting for the edited picture of the other rim yet.
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Old 18th March 2008, 18:55   #153
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you wanted something like this?

Toyota Innova Variant and TCO Analysis Workshop 2008-innovabir2-copy.jpg
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Old 18th March 2008, 19:22   #154
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I still vote for the black ones.
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Old 18th March 2008, 19:22   #155
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plati has the same design as the bsa ones and they look really plain. no character.
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you wanted something like this?

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YEAH! Thats the one...u can say I may ve bought the black color car for these rims...
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Hey Basu,
that was a late reply but since you said u will be 50% highways as well, id say the innova is a great choice, in the city too. Like you mentioned, it goes over bad roads like nobody's business. Roads on which i generally twitch when in a sedan, same roads i just go over with no twitching whatsoever in the Innova. Also, the bullying the other cars is also great fun - not all, just the ones that drive like idiots, they become normal the second they see the huge car they are messing with

Also, i vote for the black rims as of now. Am waiting for the edited picture of the other rim yet.

Yes that was late but not forgotten. U could imagine I was busy with the paperwork etc.

My Astra was finally sold!

It did not have the following:
  • Faulty Fuel pump
  • Work out axles
  • Loose brake caliper
  • Hardened clutch
  • Overheating probs (usual)
  • Noisy AC Compressor bearings
  • Old and risky hose pipes (not gettin spares)
  • Oil consuming engine ( 1 litre per two months)
  • No Road Tax paid in WB for 4 years! ( I drove the entire country like that)
  • No NOC from WB RTO
  • No. Road Tax Paid in AP ( I drove the entire Hyderabad like that. When they caught me I said r u a fool.....to expect me payin Road Tax in two states at once..who will pay the money....and I paid 100 bucks and drove off)
  • Was still in the Original owner's name.
  • In all the car's Road Tax liability with penalty had swelled up to surpass even the market value of the car.
  • I sold it for 70K (took out some fittings) ..something which had -ve book value.
  • Buyer? u wont believe.... was someone whom I met on the road. He took it all the way to Adilabad. I was transparent and disclosed all facts and he agreed to use it as it is.
I miss the car very much and I shed a tear or two when it was taken away.

I'm not sayin, I'll never buy a sedan in future but then that will depend on my driving cycles 6-8 years from now... I''ll be 40'sh and may just be happy with a small car like Spark which is great for city only and I hope the roads will improve some more by then.
  • One thing we have to understand is just like trucks the Innova, Scorpio, Safari are built like roller skates.. Body bolt on ladder chassis.
  • So the the body shell is not the stress member at all.
  • The ladder chassis has great torsional rigidity.
  • The radiator and AC fan is mechanical (no electronic failure)
  • There are no accelerator cables (no snapping)
  • The interiors can be cleaned easily (flat floor)
  • The engine is longitudinal (easier to service)
  • All parts are well spaced out (so even the tank can be dismounted easily)
  • The stance is tall.... u react before others do (as u see cars in front of u slowing down)
  • The pricing is just right (other diesels like Skoda and Optra Magnum are priced more)
  • Its far better than scorpio in interior finishing.
  • It does not fishtail like the scorpio (I've not driven a safari though)
  • Body roll is minimal too. (I switched from an astra and can feel that)
  • Its high (so water seepage on flooded roads is minimal)
  • Its RWD (Front axles have less longevity esp if u drive lock to lock frequently and drive on waterlogged streets)
  • Its RWD (again, once my astra's axle bellow came off because some polythene packet got messed up on it on flooded roads.
  • Its Toyota reliability and Qualises have known to run upto 3 lakh kms without an engine overhaul!
Now let us estimate a year by year depreciation on the Innova based on historical trends. (In know carwale has the best info..incredible)
Then we arrive at when to sell the car ideally.... 5th year or 8th year or even 10th year of ownership.
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Well, i vote for the 1st rims (the orginal black ones) which you gave up.
IMHO they look much better.

You have mentioned that "my car did not have the following".
Going by your list im guessing those were the things your car HAD.

"took out some fittings...something which had -ve book value"
What were these fiittings?

So the Astra is sold. I guess that now im the only one left on BHP with an Astra.
Feels kinda good & bad at the same time. Good cause im unique and bad cause i havnt bought a new car. hehe. Man, 70K!
Im sure ill shed a tear when i part with it as well. She has served me well.

That's a very good idea about finding out when it the ideal time to sell the car. Good thinking
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Hi all,
I am planning to buy the Innova as we need a 6 seater car. But i have some concerns about the maintainance. The car usage will be about 12k Kms per year. Like compared here i have to make a decision on Petrol Vs Diesel, but what i am more worried about is the cost of spare parts and intervals they have to be changed. Currently own the WagonR, its really maintainace free, so i have an inclination towards petrol. I have heard that Diesel is really pricey to maintain over a period of time, I am not so sure.

Has any one done any analysis on this kind of stuff? It will be nice if i can get a number on how much it will cost to own over a lakh KM.
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"took out some fittings...something which had -ve book value"
What were these fiittings?

The Astra I had had negative book value.

I took out the amplifier and exchanged it with a bigger amp.
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Hi,

> Now let us estimate a year by year depreciation on the Innova based on
> historical trends.

I bought my Innova V diesel with an an ex showroom price of 996000 on 26/06/2005 and sold it for 815000 on 11/08/2007 with 26211 on the odometer.
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Hi all,
I am planning to buy the Innova as we need a 6 seater car. But i have some concerns about the maintainance. The car usage will be about 12k Kms per year. Like compared here i have to make a decision on Petrol Vs Diesel, but what i am more worried about is the cost of spare parts and intervals they have to be changed. Currently own the WagonR, its really maintainace free, so i have an inclination towards petrol. I have heard that Diesel is really pricey to maintain over a period of time, I am not so sure.

Has any one done any analysis on this kind of stuff? It will be nice if i can get a number on how much it will cost to own over a lakh KM.
is maintenance is all your worried about? the petrol has service intervals of 10k kms in think. the diesel has 5k kms. both cars engine oil has a change interval of 10k kms. see that sheet btirthankar posted on the earlier page.

the warranty is for 3 years or 100,000 kms. 3 years would come earlier for you. all problems are taken care under warranty and you only have to pay for consumables like oil, brake pads etc.
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is maintenance is all your worried about? the petrol has service intervals of 10k kms in think. the diesel has 5k kms. both cars engine oil has a change interval of 10k kms. see that sheet btirthankar posted on the earlier page.

the warranty is for 3 years or 100,000 kms. 3 years would come earlier for you. all problems are taken care under warranty and you only have to pay for consumables like oil, brake pads etc.
Thanks Akshay. I am not paranoid about maintainace. Its is just that this will be my first non Maruti car and am not very sure about the Toyota, more so not sure about diesels. Just wanted to know, how far is the Innova in maintainance from a B-Segment car ?
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Thanks Akshay. I am not paranoid about maintainace. Its is just that this will be my first non Maruti car and am not very sure about the Toyota, more so not sure about diesels. Just wanted to know, how far is the Innova in maintainance from a B-Segment car ?
well the maintainence will be be more than our wagon-r. whether you go fo petrol or diesel the maintenance costs will hardly vary.
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Thanks Akshay. I am not paranoid about maintainace. Its is just that this will be my first non Maruti car and am not very sure about the Toyota, more so not sure about diesels. Just wanted to know, how far is the Innova in maintainance from a B-Segment car ?
Hi, just keep in mind you are buying a larger vehicle with a longer lifecycle and longer service life. So the essential PMP maintenance should not be skipped. Also keep in mind that Toyotas have high terminal value Globally. So dont worry. It will be a better asset than any of the other vehicles. The fact that I , who had similar thoughts as yours, took six months to decide on it and finally went for it.

I can say...just jump on it (if its features = match your needs). Its the best deal on 4 wheels considering the overall market offerings as of date.

If this vehicle would not have been in the market, I could stretch as far as a Ford Explorer u see... but thank God this Vehicle was positioned.

If u worry about new entrants... and upgrades... no other vehicle can easily be offered at that price (sub 1 million) as it takes a hell amount of time, road tests, market research and localization to launch a new model.

Yes a Innova competitor may come in future, Till then we enjoy the Innova.
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