Help Me Choose : Endeavor 3.0 vs CR-V AWD vs Outlander vs Captiva vs Pajero - Page 2 - Team-BHP

naveen.kk · 22nd October 2008, 16:20

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Originally Posted by cooldude1988765

Look no further than the innova. You will get one for half your budget. Innova V 8seater to be precise.

I don't deny the excellence of Innova, what I mean is it wont be perfect for what he is looking at. 60% of rugged road driving.

GTO · 22nd October 2008, 17:57

The Pajero & Endeavour are bullet-proof, though the Pajero wins on account of its road manners. I love the Endeavours tough build but the ride quality will have your family kicking you out of the house.

Its a toss between the Pajero & the Innova then. The latter is from a segment lower than what your budget seems to be, but is more than a match for the intended usage. Update us after test-driving both.

gd1418 · 22nd October 2008, 23:42

All those here recommending Innova probably didn't read the OP properly and rather don't know the rural Punjab roads that well. Ghetto wants a vehicle that could last some years as well while negotiating those roads, fully laden, most of the times. Innova won't last a year though in such conditions.

My vote goes for Pajero.

Reason: During monsoons, when there is slush in the rural Punjab, with its selectable 4L, Pajero will pull through, while the Endy can get bogged down due to its weight and so could Captiva as it is not AWD/4WD. CR-V has low GC compared to the others & Outlander is not a 4WD and heavy too.

Ghetto, you may also like to consider the 4WD 2.6 CRDe Scorpio & the 4WD 2.2 VTT Safari also in your scheme of things.

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Originally Posted by GhettoMAX

My home back in India is in rural Punjab and most my driving is 60% village/rural and 40% city/hwy. The roads around my neck of woods are rough (to put it mildly).

60% of the time the vehicle will have 5 adults and 3 kids and the rest time just the driver or 1 passenger.

sridharps · 23rd October 2008, 00:06

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Diesel v. Petrol is not a big issue for me but the vehicle should be able to last a few years.

Do check the outlander then. It should satisfy all your requirements.
Else, Pajero is a no-brainer.

hondadude · 23rd October 2008, 00:14

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Originally Posted by gd1418

Outlander is not a 4WD and heavy too.

I thought Outlander has 4wd with locking option.

Path_Finder · 23rd October 2008, 00:25

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Originally Posted by hondadude

I thought Outlander has 4wd with locking option.

Yes, it has and is a good option too. Suggest GhettoMAX to try Pajero and Outlander and then decide.

BTW, I rule out Innova suggested by some. I have tried it in Kerala country roads and do not come out as well like SUVs. It is good for city and highway, but not appropiate here.

GhettoMAX · 23rd October 2008, 00:29

Regarding lack of safari or scorpio from the list, we have both in the family and they are tough rigs no doubt. I just desire something a bit upscale if you will and perhaps more comfortable if possible.

Thank you all for your valuable advice thus far and please believe me that I will be thinking about everything being suggested here.

Innova indeed is a very good minivan and though I genuinly appreciate its abilities and vfm I forgot to mention that I also have a younger brother that my wife sides with and they both hate minivans as I forced a purchase of one in the US they still wont forgive me. This is the ONLY reason silly as it may seem but it is my wife and my brother's turn this time and they have said that they don't care as long as it is a SUV.

Having said that - I really hate how people in US are spoiled driving huge SUV's eventhough minivans CLEARLY have an advantage overall.

But anyways, this is how it is and reading the comments so far we are pretty much down to Pajero v. Captiva

Just got off the phone with my bro-in-law and he is pushing captiva as if he had quit practicing law and become a chevy salesman. He has gone as far as threatening that he is going to place in order coming saturday even if I don't decide!

He has made some valid points such as GM offering some sort of maintenance free package (unsure of details) and the car being fairly new vs. pajero being last gen technology and such. Resale values etc.

The only arguement remains is the Front-wheel-drive vs. 4x4 arguement. My vehicles so far have been 4x2 with one being a rear wheel drive (sumo) and the other two (zen and city) being front wheel drives. I dont recall having a major issue with them other than one time where the NHC got stuck in a flash flood situation and had to be pulled with a tractor. This was error on my drivers behalf as he didnt pay attention to other drivers avoiding the path and going around.

So lets discuss this, how is the interior comfort between Captiva vs. Pajero?

If you were in my situation and had to pick between two what would your immediate thought be?

4x4addict · 23rd October 2008, 00:37

If you need 7 seats and a comfortable ride then looks like Pajero 2.8 is your only options. 5 Adults and 3 kids will be an uncomfortable ride in the CRV or Outlander without the third row. Endy I suggest driving the Pajero 2.8 on the highway. It's a bit underpowered by today's standards, but you get a proven vehicle with solid reliability and a very comfy ride.

The latest SFX version actually looks very nice with the wider tires etc.

.anshuman · 23rd October 2008, 00:48

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Originally Posted by hondadude

I thought Outlander has 4wd with locking option.

Yes outlander has 2h,4h and 4hlc with locked center differential and all wheel traction control.

drpullockaran · 23rd October 2008, 01:49

If you want rock solid reliability in rural Punjab with kerosene mixed diesel you should not touch CRDI engines with a barge pole.
If I were you I would choose the Pajero which has the normal turbo engine.
Just ask the cost of repairs for a failed Injection pump for the Captiva engine which is bound to happen sooner than later with the diet you will be forced to feed it with.
If the roads are bad then you have no choice other than going for the Pajero. It may not look as upmarket as the Captiva but you will have peace of mind compared to any of the vehicles you mentioned.

drpullockaran · 23rd October 2008, 02:05

How come the Prado Petrol V6 is not on your list of SUV's
Toyota - Land Cruiser Prado

.anshuman · 23rd October 2008, 02:08

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Originally Posted by drpullockaran

If you want rock solid reliability in rural Punjab with kerosene mixed diesel you should not touch CRDI engines with a barge pole.
If I were you I would choose the Pajero which has the normal turbo engine.
Just ask the cost of repairs for a failed Injection pump for the Captiva engine which is bound to happen sooner than later with the diet you will be forced to feed it with.
If the roads are bad then you have no choice other than going for the Pajero. It may not look as upmarket as the Captiva but you will have peace of mind compared to any of the vehicles you mentioned.

Punjab is a diesel lovers state,CRDi's have been there since launch without any trouble,even i never had any problems with diesel in punjab.

GhettoMAX · 23rd October 2008, 02:38

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Originally Posted by drpullockaran

How come the Prado Petrol V6 is not on your list of SUV's
Toyota - Land Cruiser Prado

Ah! the lexus Gx as we know it in the states, sweet rig. Why is it not on my list of SUV's... simple... financially it is not in my comfort zone.

In the 20 lakh range I can build in scheduled/forseen and unscheduled/unforseen repairs and still stay in a comfort zone.

suman · 23rd October 2008, 11:18

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Originally Posted by drpullockaran

If you want rock solid reliability in rural Punjab with kerosene mixed diesel you should not touch CRDI engines with a barge pole.

Punjab IIRC has the highest Safari sales in the country - all of them happily running on Diet Diesel

gd1418 · 23rd October 2008, 12:40

With eyes closed would go for Pajero with the Bridgestone Dueler A/T 31x10.5 R16 tyres, though I love the twin silencer look of the Captiva with the projector HLs.

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Originally Posted by GhettoMAX

If you were in my situation and had to pick between two what would your immediate thought be?

22nd October 2008, 17:57	#17 (permalink)
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 18,786 View My Garage	The Pajero & Endeavour are bullet-proof, though the Pajero wins on account of its road manners. I love the Endeavours tough build but the ride quality will have your family kicking you out of the house. Its a toss between the Pajero & the Innova then. The latter is from a segment lower than what your budget seems to be, but is more than a match for the intended usage. Update us after test-driving both. __________________ GTO Work backward from your imagination, not forward from the past! Please don't PM for support. Use the Contact Form instead. Please read the NEW Team-BHP FAQ section for all your queries.

23rd October 2008, 00:29	#22 (permalink)
GhettoMAX BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 52	.. Regarding lack of safari or scorpio from the list, we have both in the family and they are tough rigs no doubt. I just desire something a bit upscale if you will and perhaps more comfortable if possible. Thank you all for your valuable advice thus far and please believe me that I will be thinking about everything being suggested here. Innova indeed is a very good minivan and though I genuinly appreciate its abilities and vfm I forgot to mention that I also have a younger brother that my wife sides with and they both hate minivans as I forced a purchase of one in the US they still wont forgive me. This is the ONLY reason silly as it may seem but it is my wife and my brother's turn this time and they have said that they don't care as long as it is a SUV. Having said that - I really hate how people in US are spoiled driving huge SUV's eventhough minivans CLEARLY have an advantage overall. But anyways, this is how it is and reading the comments so far we are pretty much down to Pajero v. Captiva Just got off the phone with my bro-in-law and he is pushing captiva as if he had quit practicing law and become a chevy salesman. He has gone as far as threatening that he is going to place in order coming saturday even if I don't decide! He has made some valid points such as GM offering some sort of maintenance free package (unsure of details) and the car being fairly new vs. pajero being last gen technology and such. Resale values etc. The only arguement remains is the Front-wheel-drive vs. 4x4 arguement. My vehicles so far have been 4x2 with one being a rear wheel drive (sumo) and the other two (zen and city) being front wheel drives. I dont recall having a major issue with them other than one time where the NHC got stuck in a flash flood situation and had to be pulled with a tractor. This was error on my drivers behalf as he didnt pay attention to other drivers avoiding the path and going around. So lets discuss this, how is the interior comfort between Captiva vs. Pajero? If you were in my situation and had to pick between two what would your immediate thought be? __________________ "...They (Terrorists) never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - GWB

23rd October 2008, 01:49	#25 (permalink)
drpullockaran BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ERNAKULAM Posts: 499	Pajero it should be. If you want rock solid reliability in rural Punjab with kerosene mixed diesel you should not touch CRDI engines with a barge pole. If I were you I would choose the Pajero which has the normal turbo engine. Just ask the cost of repairs for a failed Injection pump for the Captiva engine which is bound to happen sooner than later with the diet you will be forced to feed it with. If the roads are bad then you have no choice other than going for the Pajero. It may not look as upmarket as the Captiva but you will have peace of mind compared to any of the vehicles you mentioned. __________________ Bye and wear your seat belts. Last edited by drpullockaran : 23rd October 2008 at 01:50.

23rd October 2008, 02:05	#26 (permalink)
drpullockaran BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ERNAKULAM Posts: 499	What about the Prado? How come the Prado Petrol V6 is not on your list of SUV's Toyota - Land Cruiser Prado __________________ Bye and wear your seat belts.

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4x4addict Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,306 View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (7)	If you need 7 seats and a comfortable ride then looks like Pajero 2.8 is your only options. 5 Adults and 3 kids will be an uncomfortable ride in the CRV or Outlander without the third row. Endy I suggest driving the Pajero 2.8 on the highway. It's a bit underpowered by today's standards, but you get a proven vehicle with solid reliability and a very comfy ride. The latest SFX version actually looks very nice with the wider tires etc.