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Old 27th February 2009, 11:10   #61
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Hmm, this is getting interesting. Carwale shows a lot of Boleros for 4-5.5 - are the DIs very sluggish ? Of course, have not yet driven one so no clue how it might compare to a used Safari, except that if its ok for long distancing for the family, and since its much cheaper - its clawing its way into the decision making process
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Hmm, this is getting interesting. Carwale shows a lot of Boleros for 4-5.5 - are the DIs very sluggish ? Of course, have not yet driven one so no clue how it might compare to a used Safari, except that if its ok for long distancing for the family, and since its much cheaper - its clawing its way into the decision making process
Haha, Zenx, you might be very disappointed with a Bolero DI. It will always do your bidding and never fight back, never show a mind of its own! It will almost never ask for spares and never want a few days off! Will you be able to live with that?!
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Haha, Zenx, you might be very disappointed with a Bolero DI. It will always do your bidding and never fight back, never show a mind of its own! It will almost never ask for spares and never want a few days off! Will you be able to live with that?!
Tempting Will a 15 hour drive leave the kids and wife cribbing ? Thats part of the consideration. And if the vibrations through the gearshift are not much better than the Xylo's, I will not be able to drive it for 15 hours either. I guess I should TD one and check...the prices are very yummy.

Edit: just came acros Drives - Do or DI - Business Standard Motoring Makes for a discouraging read. Elsewhere on TBhp too there's advice which says the DI is best avoided.

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Tempting Will a 15 hour drive leave the kids and wife cribbing ? Thats part of the consideration. And if the vibrations through the gearshift are not much better than the Xylo's, I will not be able to drive it for 15 hours either. I guess I should TD one and check...the prices are very yummy.

Edit: just came acros Drives - Do or DI - Business Standard Motoring Makes for a discouraging read. Elsewhere on TBhp too there's advice which says the DI is best avoided.
Well vis-a-vis the CRDe, DI is ages behind. But as a car its good. One thing that I have noticed in the DI Turbo is that there is a certain type of vibration which comes at about 2000 rpm and is an engine characteristic.
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Will a 15 hour drive leave the kids and wife cribbing ? Thats part of the consideration.
Well, er, that depends on the kind & model number of the wife and kids, doesn't it?!
Mine happily did 17 hour drives in the Gypsy (many years ago, to be honest)!
You could consider a trade-in or exchange scheme for the wife & kids, LOL!!

Seriously, the vibrations part is not so dismal that it will be unbearable. The ride quality is OK, again not a deal breaker, I would say. But for heaven's sake, don't start comparing to the ride quality of the Safari or Innova.
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Well DI turbo is a workhorse. Come what may it will take it. Putting it in SLX and selling it as a premium vehicle is a bit over OTT!!! Buy Di turbo if you want to use your Bolero as a true jeep. Well if you want to see the shades of the true SUV in a traditional design, then Bolero Crde vlx is a good option!
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Well, er, that depends on the kind & model number of the wife and kids, doesn't it?!
Mine happily did 17 hour drives in the Gypsy (many years ago, to be honest)!
Well, they did a Blr-Tvm trip as passengers in a Qualis a coulpe of years ago. The Safari has impressed with the NVH, and space inside which will help as the kids grow up. And I've personally seen the difference decent NVH makes on long distancing ability. You tire slower. The Xylo TD had totally put me off for this reason - but otoh, used to do 750kms in the Zen years ago.
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Bolero is an extremely staid workhorse. The middle seat can be scary - I've TDed all vehicles in the 4-7L variety - and they were just all over my RVM in the bolero

The brakes are the kind that you hope to god.

But say, compared to a hatch/sedan - it just goes over bad roads (driver exp) like no one's business - and can boss everyone around
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Milemuncher, did you get your CRDE Bolero or what?!
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Milemuncher, did you get your CRDE Bolero or what?!
Have put my booking amount but few other things came in unexpectedly and had to divert funds there. So I'm in a financial crunch which doesn't seem to be ending. Plus its March. Hoping that by April end should be able to see myself driving a CRDe
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Does the new Crde come with 4x4? Which one do you think is more capable the 4x4 Bolero or the 4x4 Scorp? The 4x4 Bolero has a live axle front suspension which is better off road, as far as i know.
Even I am a Bolero fan and am waiting to save enough to buy one. Had a word with the M&M guys in Noida about the VLX and was told that I do have the option of having a 4WD installed on it. The process is:

1. Buy the VLX (7.5L OTR).
2. On getting delivery, pay the M&M guys 1.5-2 Lacs to have the mods for 4x4 done.
3. Wait for 1-2 months while the beastie goes to their factory in Nashik, gets modified and delivered back to me.

Now I had two issues in mind, which are:
1. How could I let someone else drive my new car around 2K Km. Do they keep the running-in period thing in mind?
2. Who would be liable if any damage/issue come to the vehicle while it's in M&M's hands?
3. Is the performance of a 2WD vehicle with 4WD system added post-production is at par with a vehicle produced as a 4WD in factory?
4. How is the performance of a Bolero 4x4 as compared to a 4x4 safari in off-roading?

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My response below in bold inline within your email...

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Even I am a Bolero fan and am waiting to save enough to buy one. Had a word with the M&M guys in Noida about the VLX and was told that I do have the option of having a 4WD installed on it. The process is:

1. Buy the VLX (7.5L OTR).
2. On getting delivery, pay the M&M guys 1.5-2 Lacs to have the mods for 4x4 done.
3. Wait for 1-2 months while the beastie goes to their factory in Nashik, gets modified and delivered back to me.

Now I had two issues in mind, which are:

4 issues.

1. How could I let someone else drive my new car around 2K Km. Do they keep the running-in period thing in mind?
Unless they are on your payroll, and you're a local crime lord, I dont think they would care.

2. Who would be liable if any damage/issue come to the vehicle while it's in M&M's hands?
Ofcourse you would be liable. You already bought the car. The courts are slow. Consumer activism is laughed about. What can you do?

3. Is the performance of a 2WD vehicle with 4WD system added post-production is at par with a vehicle produced as a 4WD in factory?
Depends on where and how its done. Do the 4wd conversion at a place which specialises in this (maybe someone who tunes dakar rally cars), then you've got yourself a winner. Else, stick with a full on factory job.

4. How is the performance of a Bolero 4x4 as compared to a 4x4 safari in off-roading?
Bolero's will win hands down purely on Offroading simply because they are...simpler to deal with as opposed to the Safari. Safari's and Scorps are meant to be treated with a little more respect than a Bolero.

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i think this is what we are talking here
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@Red Liner: Thanks for the clarifications mate. From your answer for 4th point, I'd now really love to have a 4WD VLX. But going by those of 1, 2 really discouraged to trust M&M to do it. Maybe when the time comes, I'd drive down with the vehicle to Nashik myself. I'd appreciate if you could provide me information of a place which specializes in conversion of 2wd to 4wd in/around NCR. One last thing, is it advisable to get the 4wd mods done on a new vehicle or is it ok if it's after the vehicle's run for sometime?

@MileCruncher: Yeah man, the sales guy was indeed making a pitch for the Stinger. But it being costing 12-12.5L, I straightaway told him that for that price I'd rather get a Safari GX 4WD.
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zenx, you wont like DI engine(Bolero) after driving an OHC

For long i haven been searching for a good tourer and have been in love with Bolero...i think CRDE has made it more tempting!

But! yesterday i took a TD of Xylo and i liked it a lot.... i am not a fan of its looks but it seems to be very good for touring...Tough...Comfortable and spacious!
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