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Old 11th June 2010, 23:22   #31
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@Pramods: I think you were just unlucky. I am sure if it was a Land Cruiser AT it would have sailed through without a hiccup. Our engineering still has some way to go before the quality catches up with the rest of the world.
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All new M&M Scorpio models are test-driven to Ladakh (Manali-Leh-Khardung la) as a standard R&D procedure, so the Scorpio is probbaly one of teh very few vehicles that is designed and proven for the tough terrain and sub-zero temperatures.
Correct, not just scorpio, all new models including xylo are winter tested at Leh.

@Pramod can you post pic of the failed part?

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Old 11th June 2010, 23:40   #33
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The AT failed at Leh, the ATF leaked and the vehicle came to standstill, the leakage was not from any damage done due to road/no road, but it leaked from the pipe that had plastic and metal joint. I am sure nobody would like to take there AT to Leh Ladhak anymore!!!!

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Joint failure because of cold/ extreme temperature cycling?

Juggad to bring it back to life?

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All new M&M Scorpio models are test-driven to Ladakh (Manali-Leh-Khardung la) as a standard R&D procedure, so the Scorpio is probbaly one of teh very few vehicles that is designed and proven for the tough terrain and sub-zero temperatures.
HVK, there could be "many a slip between the cup & the lip" as far as R&D vehicles and assembly line ones are concerned. And not just for M&M.
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Most Indians want a reliable yet affordable vehicle (cheap cost). For me:
"Reliable is not affordable and Cheap is not Reliable"
Quality comes at a cost. It will take sometime for our Indian Companies to offer vehicles at cheap prices(which they are doing and I appreciate it.) yet with a Tough reliability factor.
The matter AT owner has faced is because of "Newer is not reliable" kinda Indian pattern. All new launches from 'Truely Indians' are facing some or other problems, No matter whether it is now or then. When I read about a AT purchase, I was already ready to read some serious problems with it. It's Hard Luck for the owner.

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Old 12th June 2010, 14:22   #36
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@spike: right now I don't have any image with me but by Monday I should have the image of the pipe and engine bay. AT performance was really good and I am impressed overall, but the failure have made me nervous and the trusting AT for remote location tour would need lot of time.
Would like the vehicle to be back on road soon with no other failure. I hope Mahindra does a proper daigonsis and fixes the problem at earliest.

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Pramods,

Happy to see that you're back home OK and you had friends who could help you out to communicate with M&M. Tough luck about the vehicle, but then vehicle can always be repaired and this debate can go on.....

A Nano has reached Leh through Srinagar last week, so reliability does not have to be expensive. I think with the cost of the AT, tougher testing and R&D should have been done and M&M should have at least sent a AT specialist to Leh to attend to this problem. Does this sound far-fetched?

My Ford Fusion 5 years back under warrenty had slight (please note slight) gear slipping on 2nd. The local guys tried ONCE to rectify the problem and called in an expert from Chennai, he came by flight just to attend to my car!!!! He also brought in a spare gear box, he COULD not rectify my problem and changed the gear box instead. The ASC in Ahmedabad gave my name to so many people as reference for service quality, I had to say they were good. This is what I would call customer delight. For 4 days when my car was down, they re-imbursed me taxi fare, though minimal.

I feel strongly M&M should have sent a team to LEH to rectify the AT problem, could have used it as a mktg USP. I wonder what the brilliant MKTG head at M&M was thinking when he let an opportunity like this slip. They can easily side-step the quality/ design issue by talking bull, but dodging the bad customer experience issue is going to be expensive and time taking.

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@Pramod can you post pic of the failed part?

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Scorpio AT: Is it suitable for Leh ladakh?-img_23661.jpg

The pipe marked under the black oval is what came out , see the oil dripping every where
Scorpio AT: Is it suitable for Leh ladakh?-img_23681.jpg


Searching my phone book for people to contact and waiting for help to arrive
Scorpio AT: Is it suitable for Leh ladakh?-img_23871.jpg

Scorpio towed back to Leh
Scorpio AT: Is it suitable for Leh ladakh?-100_61181.jpg

I am happy that my top row was able to sustain the hill, this was 3 ton rated tow rope that I got from ebay and it does worked well.

Scorpio AT: Is it suitable for Leh ladakh?-100_61251.jpg


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Does not look like the hose could have taken a hit because of bad roads
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By and large the roads in Ladakh are excellent - courtesy Himank (Border roads Organisation). Unless there is a landslide or something they may be narrow but are in excellent shape. Only sections around the passes where snowploughs work are a bit rough.
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@Kumar Ji, its not possible for any type of damage by "hit", its connected to radiator, my thought it either has to do with "pressure with altitude" or something to do with temperature which made this joint to give way or may be combination of "pressure, altitude and temperature"

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Managed to get this diagram from Manual, this will let everybody know what leaked and from where.

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This seems to be clear case of the contraction rates of the pipe and the lip being different and hence coming apart. Looks like a one off case of a faulty batch of components supplied.

Tell me pramods, if you/ASC had spare AT fluid with you, looks like there could have been some jugaad of plugging and tightening the pipe back to its socket/joint and refilling the fluid right??

SPIKE, your views as well please...
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Its not easy to top up the ATF in Mahindra, I have seen the manual on the process of top up, the first and foremost requirement is of temperature, it need a constant temperature of 50C which need to be checked through the scanner, then you need to fill the ATF, and let it drain for 10 second and then tighten the nut. there is just one bolt that is to check the ATF level, if you open that bolt and ATF is overflowing that mean ATF level is correct else, you need to topup, but this need to be done in a workshop!!

Jugad system for AT would be difficult if you have the ATF, just for information there is ATF -A fluid marketed by Bharat Petroleum for AT which was available at Leh, but Mahindra ATF grade is different at its not available in the open market!!

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Sorry to hear that you were left stranded in middle of nowhere (well, almost). Without taking anything away from your experience, I personally feel it might not be correct to write-off all auto trannies with a blanket statement as a knee-jerk reaction.

Good for all M&M AT owners on this forum that they came to know of such an issue (not that many would actually be going to L-L).

I have a L-L trip on my near horizon and for sure, there is a lot to learn from the experiences (good or bad) of fellow members here.

Wishing your vehicle a speedy recovery
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Its not easy to top up the ATF in Mahindra, I have seen the manual on the process of top up, the first and foremost requirement is of temperature, it need a constant temperature of 50C which need to be checked through the scanner, then you need to fill the ATF, and let it drain for 10 second and then tighten the nut. there is just one bolt that is to check the ATF level, if you open that bolt and ATF is overflowing that mean ATF level is correct else, you need to topup, but this need to be done in a workshop!!

Jugad system for AT would be difficult if you have the ATF, just for information there is ATF -A fluid marketed by Bharat Petroleum for AT which was available at Leh, but Mahindra ATF grade is different at its not available in the open market!!

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Ok, so this sets me thinking now. Who would be the customers for the BP ATF up there at Leh? Did you enquire? Also, did you find the time to have a look at the difference in the specs between that ATF and the M&M ATF?

One very simple stupid question. Now that you have seen the pipe and the joint, tell me, if I use a typical pipe clamp on the joint, (the ones where you turn the screw and that tightens the pipe by reducing its radius continuously)
would it work as a preventive measure to hold the pipe from slipping off its joint/collar/lip/end..??

If yes, am I eligible for a job at M&M R&D??
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