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Old 14th June 2010, 17:12   #46
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I personally feel it might not be correct to write-off all auto trannies with a blanket statement as a knee-jerk reaction.
I am not saying AT is not suitable for Leh -Ladhak, else I would have never gone there with my AT vehicle and that too with my family, I am just puting my experience and wants other to share their if they have taken AT to Ladhak region, while in Manual you definitely are better prepared in case of eventuality while AT will leave you stranded, you need to be well versed with AT and other aspect, few things that comes to my mind,
1> You should have every possible tool to disconnect the propeller shaft, because you would not be able to tow if its connected to AT
2> Need to have extra battery in-case you battery die on you.

And you need to understand your AT like can your ATF be topped up, do they have something to check the ATF level, to check the ATF level in Scorpio, you need to to on level surface plus you need "tools" to open a nut, which you can't do on road, not sure if other AT's have a option to check the ATF easily.

Its better to know and be prepared, next time I know what more need to be checked regularly.

@Devdath: the BP ATF are generally used in Hydraulic machinery in Leh, and that why they were available but while inquiring about that with Mahindra they did mentioned it grade is different and will not work with Scorpio AT, I doubt about the "use a typical pipe clamp on the joint" as the joint is a plastic mold with 2 clips which are pressed to open and close against the steel gauge. if you use the clamp then you will break the plastic rather than tightening it!!

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Old 14th June 2010, 17:40   #47
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I currently own my 5th AT car, this one will complete 7 years next month. And I have driven nearly 2 lakhs Kms just on AT cars. Couple of them very old cars, one was a decade old and another had 118K miles (not KMs) when I bought it. And I have driven all of them except the current one in extreme weather conditions, even as low as -25C.

I have never faced AT related problem. Until now I had never even heard any talk about AT fluid or that they need to be monitored. Therefore, let's not even think there is a generic problem with AT.

This is purely a problem with Scorpio AT and nothing else.

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2> Need to have extra battery in-case you battery die on you.
I have two AT cars and i know AT cars cannot be push started, So i am having Jump Starter Kit which comes with its own battery and jump starting cable, Jump starters i feel are better than spare battery since you can keep charging on the vehicle 12v socket and off in electric socket. here is my review on it

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...ehicles-3.html (Jump Starters for Auto Transmission Vehicles)
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OT. What type (GM, Ford, or Chrysler) of atf does the Scorpio AT use?

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I agree with Samurai that this is a specific design issue with Mahindra. It is not the fault of the transmission maker as the Transmission maker will provide a fully assembled sealed transmission. They don't design the rest of the parts like the cooling attachment etc for specific car models. I think the connector the cooler and cooling fins etc are a Mahindra design.


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The transmission was developed by an Australian company called Drivetrain Systems International (DSI). 60% of their output was bought by SSyong Automobiles of Korea and when Ssyong went kaput, DSI took a hit as they sales was down 60% and went into receivership/bankruptsy. They were bought bought out later by our chinese friends Geely Automobiles (Pramod, wonder if this explains your problems) :-)
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^^^^
Thanks. But my question was about the lubricant used.

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Old 16th June 2010, 22:19   #52
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I just have the part number for the Oil, it doesn't mention the grade or anything, only thing that is mentioned there is it's not available in open market, Mahindra imports this and need to be distributed ONLY through Mahindra part number.

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@Pramods: I think you were just unlucky. I am sure if it was a Land Cruiser AT it would have sailed through without a hiccup. Our engineering still has some way to go before the quality catches up with the rest of the world.
Yes i confirm this as i have L.C 80 series AT Vx Model and we had done Manali-leh route many times on that without a single problem.....even we did Raid-de-Himalaya on our L.C AT.
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Pramods,

Happy to see that you're back home OK and you had friends who could help you out to communicate with M&M. Tough luck about the vehicle, but then vehicle can always be repaired and this debate can go on.....

A Nano has reached Leh through Srinagar last week, so reliability does not have to be expensive. I think with the cost of the AT, tougher testing and R&D should have been done and M&M should have at least sent a AT specialist to Leh to attend to this problem. Does this sound far-fetched?

My Ford Fusion 5 years back under warrenty had slight (please note slight) gear slipping on 2nd. The local guys tried ONCE to rectify the problem and called in an expert from Chennai, he came by flight just to attend to my car!!!! He also brought in a spare gear box, he COULD not rectify my problem and changed the gear box instead. The ASC in Ahmedabad gave my name to so many people as reference for service quality, I had to say they were good. This is what I would call customer delight. For 4 days when my car was down, they re-imbursed me taxi fare, though minimal.

I feel strongly M&M should have sent a team to LEH to rectify the AT problem, could have used it as a mktg USP. I wonder what the brilliant MKTG head at M&M was thinking when he let an opportunity like this slip. They can easily side-step the quality/ design issue by talking bull, but dodging the bad customer experience issue is going to be expensive and time taking.

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Sir Make some corrections.......Nano has reached leh through Manali-Leh Route & came back to delhi Via Kargil-srinagar Route. wed drove first Nano to Khardungla Top(18380ft) on 8th june 2010.

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I too want to prove that AT can go anywhere, planning to take it back from where it failed once done and comeback via Manali Leh route, just waiting for the dates from Mahindra, once delivery date is fixed will head back to Leh from Jammu, and return via Manali or will do Lauhol-Sipti!!

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I too want to prove that AT can go anywhere, planning to take it back from where it failed once done and comeback via Manali Leh route, just waiting for the dates from Mahindra, once delivery date is fixed will head back to Leh from Jammu, and return via Manali or will do Lauhol-Sipti!!

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Pramod, when are you getting the vehicle back ? Any updates from M&M ?
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Not yet, was hoping to go back and do the remaining trip but its looking difficult day by day as getting off are now tougher!!
I am hoping to get a better update next week, as per the last communication with Mahindra, transmission assembly has reached Jammu, the COTEC from Chandigarh will be going there tomorrow[Driving down to Jammu from Chandigarh on Monday 28th June] and Mahindra Techline personal on Tuesday[29th June], so hoping to hear the good new about everything fixed after wednesday[30th June].

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Not yet, was hoping to go back and do the remaining trip but its looking difficult day by day as getting off are now tougher!!
I am hoping to get a better update next week, as per the last communication with Mahindra, transmission assembly has reached Jammu, the COTEC from Chandigarh will be going there tomorrow[Driving down to Jammu from Chandigarh on Monday 28th June] and Mahindra Techline personal on Tuesday[29th June], so hoping to hear the good new about everything fixed after wednesday[30th June].

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So the vehicle will get back to its own form by first week of July. Are you planning to go there to pick it up ?
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Right now, I don't know the exact date and that's the problem, I will let Mahindra delivered it to me at Nagpur, unless I am able to get the required off from office once knowing the date, then will to do Leh -Manali - Nagpur !!

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Hi Pramod, I was thinking of doing the Manali-Leh route with my 4x2 AT Scorpio but your thread has made me nervous.
Did M&M share any root cause on the failure? If it was one-off it will ease my nervousness.
During servicing of my Apr 2010 AT Scorpio, Swami Auto in Chandigarh changed some AT piping (as part of a M&M diktat I was told). Probably some one is listening to you!
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