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Old 2nd January 2012, 14:30   #121
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Thanks for the inputs jeeva, yes its going to be a family car and for long drives, and the comfort is a concern. i may redo the front seats to gain more support...
btw can you elobrate on "Bilsteins"?? if the ride can be improve nothing like it!
Lohithrao, I had to eventually part ways with my Bolero because of the comfort factor. My family was'nt comfortable with its ride; its a little on the bumpier side. It's neither a speed demon as well. I literally had to switch off the AC for those calculative highway overtakings. Mine was one of those last batch xd3ps. Nothing has really changed much with the Di engines, in terms of top end or pickup, but the Di has oodles of torque.
The front seats are really bad: no proper lumbar support and under thigh support. Another fact is that the steering wheel has an offset to the left.
With better seats and a set of Bilsteins, things will be alright.
One of the first Bilstein installations (on Bolero) was done by a friend (he has close relations with Petes, Kochi). With the Bilsteins, the ride was much much better than the stock setup. Though they were on the expensive side (~35k for a set of 4) then, they were worth every penny. Infact, once I took my family along in his bolero, and it was only then that people felt bad for selling off ours.

Yeah, do look at used Scorpios (preferably the old gen ones with leaf springs-chain driven with EGR). But then, the body roll on the Scorp is much worser than in the Bolero. You could also look at well maintained 2.2 Dicors. Have come across certain clean ones going for ~4L.

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Old 2nd January 2012, 15:59   #122
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Default Re: Mahindra bolero vs Tata sumo grande MKII

Do we need to change the dampers aswel or just the spring is enough?

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Bilsteins are available off the shelf at most performance stores like Red Rooster, Pete's etc. I ve given their urls below.

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Do we need to change the dampers aswel or just the spring is enough?
These come as a complete assembly with their own mounting bushes. The kit is complete in itself.
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Hi,

I owned 3 boleros in total from 2000 to 2011.GLX-2wd,SLX DI-4wd then SLX - 2wd. Done @ 4lac kms in total.I would say that Boleros are any time better in reliabilty than old generation Sumo's, but its too cramped.
New Sumo/Grandes are much better in build and space.

My vote goes for new Sumo/Grande.

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After reading these feedbacks i think i need to rethink on the Bolero hmmm, how is Sumo Gold? instead of grande i think i might aswel consider Safari??

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I owned 3 boleros in total from 2000 to 2011.GLX-2wd,SLX DI-4wd then SLX - 2wd. Done @ 4lac kms in total.I would say that Boleros are any time better in reliabilty than old generation Sumo's, but its too cramped.
New Sumo/Grandes are much better in build and space.

My vote goes for new Sumo/Grande.
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After reading these feedbacks i think i need to rethink on the Bolero hmmm, how is Sumo Gold? instead of grande i think i might aswel consider Safari??
Lohith, I would suggest, as earlier, take a detailed TD of the Bolero with your family and judge it to the best of your requirements. If you are not satisfied, you have the option of looking elsewhere.

Also, please keep in mind that between the Sumo Gold, Sumo Grande and the Bolero, the Bolero outsells them by a huge margin and not without reason.

So, analyse your needs and then buy what suits you the best.
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friends,
please dont get amazed by seeing boleros sales figure.its a total of all varieties of Boleros,pick ups,Thars and etc and etc. All vehicle in M&M is termed with a starting word of bolero, except xuv,scorp,xylo etc..
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All vehicle in M&M is termed with a starting word of bolero, except xuv,scorp,xylo etc..
This is not correct Rajith. What about Maxx Pick up, Major (although old), Logan ? Only vehicles coming from Bolero platform / assembly line are often referred to as Bolero xyz.

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This is not correct Rajith. What about Maxx Pick up, Major (although old), Logan ? Only vehicles coming from Bolero platform / assembly line are often referred to as Bolero xyz.

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Dear spike,
Thanks for the reply, please update what all vehicles are combined with boleros name to show up sales..so that all can understand.
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please see the below sheet where 4 variants are mentioned, wheres the balance variants like Max,bolero pick ups,Thar crde/di etc sales figures hidden?.
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Look like everybody talking about Sumo Grande's reliability in the air.

Do anybody have data to confirm the reliability between Sumo Grande and Bolero? Just writing about reliability in forum would not mean it is unreliable, one must substantiate its statement with data.

Somebody said Bolero is bulletproof Have anybody tested it with real bullets? What does bulletproof means? Common lets compare with real words and real data.

Reliability is very broad word

1. Even a puncture can make your vehicle unreliable.
2. Even bad fuel can make your vehicle unreliable.
3. Even fused headlight bulb can make your vehicle unreliable.
and so on...


Let's get into discussion what is unreliable actually means.

I feel it is just hoax call writing about reliability about any vehicle without data.

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I can give an example here, my cousin had a 98 Sumo and he faced loads of issues, even till this date he says any product from TATA is "unreliable"

Would like to hear from the Tata owners, esp Sumo Gold on their experience.
Anuj can you share your experience

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Look like everybody talking about Sumo Grande's reliability in the air.

Do anybody have data to confirm the reliability between Sumo Grande and Bolero? Just writing about reliability in forum would not mean it is unreliable, one must substantiate its statement with data.

Somebody said Bolero is bulletproof Have anybody tested it with real bullets? What does bulletproof means? Common lets compare with real words and real data.

Reliability is very broad word

1. Even a puncture can make your vehicle unreliable.
2. Even bad fuel can make your vehicle unreliable.
3. Even fused headlight bulb can make your vehicle unreliable.
and so on...


Let's get into discussion what is unreliable actually means.

I feel it is just hoax call writing about reliability about any vehicle without data.
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I would agree to what Anuj has said, it's important to put up facts or experiences to get a clear picture of what's good or bad in a product.

As I have also mentioned earlier, the first generation Sumo was as reliable as anything you could get. My uncle who still drives one of those even today with over 2 lacs on the odo does mention of certain shortcomings like the interiors or the crude feeling, but he still maintains that he has never faced any issues driving sedately & that the vehicle would keep running for atleast another lac before an overhaul.

Drive safe.
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Look like everybody talking about Sumo Grande's reliability in the air.

Do anybody have data to confirm the reliability between Sumo Grande and Bolero? Just writing about reliability in forum would not mean it is unreliable, one must substantiate its statement with data.

Somebody said Bolero is bulletproof Have anybody tested it with real bullets? What does bulletproof means? Common lets compare with real words and real data.

Reliability is very broad word

1. Even a puncture can make your vehicle unreliable.
2. Even bad fuel can make your vehicle unreliable.
3. Even fused headlight bulb can make your vehicle unreliable.
and so on...


Let's get into discussion what is unreliable actually means.

I feel it is just hoax call writing about reliability about any vehicle without data.
True Anuj, reliability is a broad word,

No one says one particular vehicle is highly reliable. There are instances of every car made on earth has failed. But how often the reliability issues crop up is what matters.
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Default Sumo Gold GX and EX seems to be a stron contender

@8lacs(GX) and 7.35lacs(EX) Sumo Gold seems to be a good buy....3ltr engine, 85BHP and all the required goodies it seems like a very interesting proposition..

I will be doing a test drive today, will update post TD.

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