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Old 21st December 2012, 09:27   #301
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So say hello to the soon to be owners of a Black Mica Fortuner AT.
Ahh, someone in the same dilemma as me. Would you be able to list down reasons as to why you choose to pick a T-Fort when there are similar (higher in features) products available at much lesser price. Were you able to drive all of them before coming to this decision, or the reliability of the Toyota played its part?
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Ahh, someone in the same dilemma as me. Would you be able to list down reasons as to why you choose to pick a T-Fort when there are similar (higher in features) products available at much lesser price. Were you able to drive all of them before coming to this decision, or the reliability of the Toyota played its part?
Hey Mayank, I had thought of penning all those details for the initial ownership review but since you need these details, Here I go.

I comprehensively tried and TD'd the following cars, You know the good things about most of them so I will point out the Deal Breakers.

Pajero Sports - Great car, better interiors, look wise, than the Fortuner, but it skimps on some features, nothing big but we were estimating around another 1 lakh of accessories on top compared to 50,000 of the Fortuner. So at 27 lakh OTR delhi, this was pricey. Also three decent size people will have trouble sitting in the middle row, it is a bit narrow. Biggest deal breaker - The mitsubishi network or the scarcity of it. Also dealerships had a ghost town look, hardly any visitors in days, The Delhi dealer told me that we were the first customer in days. Made us think, if it is such a good product and there is no shortage of SUV buyers in the north so why no traction, dropped the idea and took back the booking.

SSangyong (Mahindra) Rexton - That name alone was the deal breaker, when your are paying 22 lakh and people conclude that you drive a Mahindra, its not done, parents who were the ones to go see the car in the first place and actually like it soon gave up after explaining to everyone what the Hell a SSangyong was. Otherwise this car is fully loaded. OK drive is not good, if you are the highway kinda guy, you drive this car with a wing and a prayer. It steers too much for comfort, although comfortable on bad roads.
My take on the car and I saw your current cars as well, we have a similar setup too, A civic and a Figo so we want something with Bragging rights too and frankly why not when you are dropping 22 big ones, that is missing. If you can live with that and the bad highway handling, this car is really something. PS - Just as an exercise try telling some of your non auto friends that you are going for a SSangyong and then see their faces. I swear our friends thought we were getting a Chinese car.

Captiva - OK the new Captiva is seriously loaded and drives OK too but it is very expensive at 26 OTR Gurgaon. Also doesn't look too butch. But had a lot of new tech such as E Parking brake and stuff.

Santa Fe - Did not TD this but just couldn't justify so much for a Hyundai and this is me personally and the fact that this is CBU spoils it even more. Na this car didn't do it for us. Sorry to people who own this, my opinion.

And last but certainly not the least the bull, the Fortuner, for all its shortcomings for all its lack of features and for the expensive price, when you have looked and driven this beast you know why people hail the KING. It does everything it can do with aplomb and for any short coming it may face you have that shiny T badge looking through assuring you that help is ceratainly around the corner. And try this every time you say we are getting a Fortuner, look at the other persons face that smile indeed is PRICELESS.

Good Luck with your hunt

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And last but certainly not the least the bull, the Fortuner, for all its shortcomings for all its lack of features and for the expensive price, when you have looked and driven this beast you know why people hail the KING. It does everything it can do with aplomb and for any short coming it may face you have that shiny T badge looking through assuring you that help is ceratainly around the corner. And try this every time you say we are getting a Fortuner, look at the other persons face that smile indeed is PRICELESS.

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Thanks, i know the Fortuner is irresistible even for us, its just perfect except for the Price/Features equation.

BTW, call me crazy but actually i am contemplating between the Storme and the Fortuner (World of difference in terms of everything), but when it comes to features Storme seems to have them all and with true 4x4.
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but when it comes to features Storme seems to have them all and with true 4x4.
Precisely, and if the Storme proves to be niggle free, say over the next 6 months, there is no point spending INR 30lac for any of these imported SUVs in the 20-30 lac INR price bracket.
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BTW, call me crazy but actually i am contemplating between the Storme and the Fortuner (World of difference in terms of everything), but when it comes to features Storme seems to have them all and with true 4x4.
Yes difference is huge but in terms of price mostly, feature wise they are mostly same. TASS is widely talked about topic here on TBHP, so you need to decide that are you ready to deal with all that heart ache supposing the worse happens. As you had mentioned in your earlier post, Tfort makes the most sense because of the reliability only otherwise there are other contenders out there which offer better at cheaper price points. Make a pros and cons list for both and then see where the pendulum swings although in all fairness when equating the price do remember that the Fortuner is truly a world class product as compared to the Storme which inspite of TATA's claims is nowhere close.
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My Fortuner was of great help during a recent trip. I badly damaged my ankle when I slipped and fell while hiking in the Nilgiris. Huge swelling, couldn't walk. After recuperating for a day (in a jungle camp) had to drive to Bangalore to do an X ray. The first 1.5 km from the camp required trail driving with steep gradient and hairpins. Using normal gearing, no way I would have managed articulating throttle and brake with an injured right ankle. But I just used 1LL and 2LL, and the vehicle went down and climbed up without any sweat. And then climbed down Kalhatti Ghats using just engine braking. And then drove to Bangalore with minimal use of brakes - relying on minor throttle inputs and gear changes. Net result: 13.2 kmpl FE which I seldom get with my style of driving.

Overpriced, yes. But a proven vehicle such as the Fortuner (or the Pajero Sports for that matter) offers a lot of peace of mind if you are the adventurous sort.

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Overpriced, yes. But a proven vehicle such as the Fortuner (or the Pajero Sports for that matter) offers a lot of peace of mind if you are the adventurous sort.
Precisely Nilanjan. Also, the kind of durability they come with, is simply phenomenal.
Which ankle by the way? Left or right?
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Hyundai SantaFe is now available with 5 Lakhs discount in Bangalore. I had checked with Advaith sometime back and they recently reverted with this lucrative offer. Post the discount , the 4x4 model Auto model in available on raod for 27 Lakhs & 25 Lakhs for the manual 4x 4 .

Seems they are clearing the stock before the new model hits the shelves.
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The thing with Fortuner is you make this investment if you want to invest on a vehicle for the long run, reliability in mind, if you are some one who says let me see after 5 years then this aint the vehicle (it can be also because it still holds a great resale value).

Our family had a great debate before we bought the Fortune (26 L) whether it was worth the money, going back we normally keep vehicles for 10 years+ and still have a 11 year old Esteem & 12 year old accent regularly attended to. So the Fortuner was decided as it is said to be one of the vehicles which will outlast the owner. Its definetly here for the long run, after 8k odd kms in the past 10 months still goes around like out of the showroom. Surely the competition for buying the Fortuner was against XUV 5OO and Safari which are both great vehicles and have their own advantages. But planning on keeping a vehicle which will definetly see 1.5 - 2L on its Odo, the Toyota it is.

There were a few concerns on bumpy ride quality but one of the specialist sessions at Madhus Garage with hunter equipment set aside the issues and our Fortuners goes through bumps like a hot knife through butter.
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There were a few concerns on bumpy ride quality but one of the specialist sessions at Madhus Garage with hunter equipment set aside the issues and our Fortuners goes through bumps like a hot knife through butter.
But hasn't that affected the handling? It would be bound to have more body rolling.
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I was in for a surprise when I checked Toyota Fortuer's price list. Within a year of the launch of the facelifted version, Toyota has silently raised the price by almost 1.5L. That is around a cool 7% increase in the price! Somehow as much as your heart wants the Fortuner, your mind does not allow it looking at the VFM equation.
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But hasn't that affected the handling? It would be bound to have more body rolling.
Not to a noticeable extent. There is a some roll which does exist as its a Ladder on frame based vehicle.

Will do a Coorg route sometime & update on the roll
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That is around a cool 7% increase in the price! Somehow as much as your heart wants the Fortuner, your mind does not allow it looking at the VFM equation.
That is the only reason i am looking elsewhere, hopefully this weekend we are planning to make a trip to drive the Storme. My heart wants a Fortuner, but the mind is unable to justify spending another 12L on it with slightly lesser features. Did you test drove other SUV's in this price range and if you found something that comes close to a Fortuner?

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That is the only reason i am looking elsewhere, hopefully this weekend we are planning to make a trip to drive the Storme. My heart wants a Fortuner, but the mind is unable to justify spending another 12L on it with slightly lesser features. Did you test drove other SUV's in this price range and if you found something that comes close to a Fortuner?
Nope I didn't. The thing is I don't need a SUV. For my usage Innova is the perfect vehicle and its serving us pretty well. But the Fortuner appeals to your heart in way that was previously unknown to me. And that is the reason why the thought of upgrading keeps coming. But now its decided. We are going to keep the Innova and rather buy the Jetta ( another car that has been on the "To Get" list since its launch) with the cash saved.
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If you are a regular guy ( I.e. not wealthy but dependent on salary and a family to support, not having multiple specialist vehicles ), a Fortuner only makes sense if you really leverage its capabilities (the toughness and 4wd), reliability and long life - 8 to 10 years, say - to the fullest. Though, if you do decide to sell it, you will get decent resale price. IMHO.
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