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Old 14th March 2006, 01:33   #31
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Hi,
bro I am really sorry.. but my intention was not to pin point someone or offend someone's feelings. All I wanted to say was whats the point in having a powerfull car and not driving it to its full potential.
I am not asking anyone to race on MG, its dangerous and I am dead against it.All i meant to say was if someone wants to show the mere cosmetic value of the car they can surely do that on MG.
Sorry if I offended anyone.
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Hey Bro.. even though i agree with you on this i guess you came down too hard on the guys here.. give them a break will ya.. chill out.. thats how it has always been among the vtec and the baleno owners.. and racing down MG road.. i will not advise that..
and i like the fast and furious dialogue you have quoted in the end.. very impressive.. but track day was not a race. It was organised so that we could get to know how fast the cars can go and if we have the b***s to control it..

Also the line from the movie was "It dosent matter whether you win by an inch or a mile, Winning's winning"

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ok shrey .. Bringing expensive cars to tracks involves high risks , one small error and ur a gonner .. So unless ur a professional or hoping to be one i dont think anyone would want to push em .. Also the fact is that the owners didnt push them because they arent comfy doing so , so comparing urself with them is no use ..

Yes those cars are meant to be treated aggressively on the track , but if the owners dont wish to treat them that way then we cant help it anyway can we .. All im saying is dont compare to show ur greatness with such cars that werent being pushed ..

As far as the tweaks on my baleno was concerned yes psycho did try it in the session that he drove .. We certainly had loads of betterment in performance , but the BRAND NEW engine was taking a huge toll and was getting over heated hence we had to even remove the K&N and put back the stock filter .. So all my timings were on the stock settings ..

Track days are all about comparing urself over the two days and not with other cars .. Its about bettering ur own timing lap after lap , session after session .. Because not all cars are the same , for that u have the race esteems , the fissme's and the lgb's .. If u want to prove ur drivers talent why not do it on them ..

Well coming to fair comparos id say compare chetan with poncho .. Though chetan has a katana 600 dating back to the early 90's he was quicker over the lap than the 1000rr of ponchos .. Same with JD who was quicker than most others though he was on a 400 .. Also wasnt it evident from the SBKs present that only JD , poncho , stan , chetan , rak**** , preetham were pushing it .. So if u have a SBK try comparing ur timings with these guys than comparing with the rest who came there just for some fun or maybe to learn ..

The way u guys are comparing urselves (that is VTEC with the other cars) with others is like me wanting to compare gulzars performance on a RXG with ponchos 1000rr .. Each was brilliantly quick based on the stats of their machines ..

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In the end i wanna quote a line from a movie " it dosent matter if its an inch or a mile, winning is winning"
I repeat again there were no races to declare urself as winners , the only winner to try and and beat was always URSELF !!!
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Hmm,
thats what i meant bro, why take credit off someone and badge him off saying that he had a powerful car and then criticising about the kinda car he was driving..
I think u are negating your statements yaar, if such be the case then why are u comparing the baleno with the mighty and more powerfull honda v-tech.

Lets all agree,
1. honda v-tech was more powerfull,wolf and Shantanu were newbies on track and they did prove themselves, that shan was awesome, J.D. would vouch for that.

2. u were also good as u lapped better than a whole lot of people with race spec cars

3. my quote implies the driver beating times set by many previous drivers who had experience on that circuit, I did not want someone to take it litrerally. Sorry if I gave someone that impression.

4. Like u said ..J.D.was faster with an underpowered bike, then people should have been faster with the underpowered esteem or baleno or whatever than the v-tech (driver skills are more important)

5. If one cant push his car to the limit then why bring such a car to the track, practise hard and then get it so that a puny little car cant outshine u

6. Its not important what u ride.. what is , is how u ride..

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ok shrey .. Bringing expensive cars to tracks involves high risks , one small error and ur a gonner .. So unless ur a professional or hoping to be one i dont think anyone would want to push em .. Also the fact is that the owners didnt push them because they arent comfy doing so , so comparing urself with them is no use ..

Yes those cars are meant to be treated aggressively on the track , but if the owners dont wish to treat them that way then we cant help it anyway can we .. All im saying is dont compare to show ur greatness with such cars that werent being pushed ..

As far as the tweaks on my baleno was concerned yes psycho did try it in the session that he drove .. We certainly had loads of betterment in performance , but the BRAND NEW engine was taking a huge toll and was getting over heated hence we had to even remove the K&N and put back the stock filter .. So all my timings were on the stock settings ..

Track days are all about comparing urself over the two days and not with other cars .. Its about bettering ur own timing lap after lap , session after session .. Because not all cars are the same , for that u have the race esteems , the fissme's and the lgb's .. If u want to prove ur drivers talent why not do it on them ..

Well coming to fair comparos id say compare chetan with poncho .. Though chetan has a katana 600 dating back to the early 90's he was quicker over the lap than the 1000rr of ponchos .. Same with JD who was quicker than most others though he was on a 400 .. Also wasnt it evident from the SBKs present that only JD , poncho , stan , chetan , rak**** , preetham were pushing it .. So if u have a SBK try comparing ur timings with these guys than comparing with the rest who came there just for some fun or maybe to learn ..

The way u guys are comparing urselves (that is VTEC with the other cars) with others is like me wanting to compare gulzars performance on a RXG with ponchos 1000rr .. Each was brilliantly quick based on the stats of their machines ..


I repeat again there were no races to declare urself as winners , the only winner to try and and beat was always URSELF !!!

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Enough of the fist fight,guys.

I understand everyone's point but all that comes to my mind is that the VTEC boys are just doing what they always do. Put the "VTEC" on the altar and sing praises for it. Alright,accepted its a really really fast car.

Vtec boys also had fun driving it really fast on the circuit. Also, do keep in mind that not everyone on the track are driving fast, and track days don't mean race days.Its about having fun.Always, see if its safe to overtake and then overtake. It would be a nasty scenario if a novice is driving real slow in a corner and u're exiting at very high speeds.

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All I wanted to say was whats the point in having a powerfull car and not driving it to its full potential.
Try owning one of these expensive import cars or superbikes and redlining on the track. U would never do that unless u're a crazy freak loaded with grandpa's money and don't care if u total it.

Bottomline: Everyone needs to know what track-day means.

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Hey xbhp dude.Nice to know ur on the forum.
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Shantanu was a newbie on track and he did prove himself that he is awesome, J.D. vouched for that.
He's a Natural.

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5. If one cant push his car to the limit then why bring such a car to the track, practise hard and then get it so that a puny little car cant outshine u

6. Its not important what u ride.. what is , is how u ride..
Agreed.But all this 'Ja rule' talk is when u're driving a car paid for by a movie producer.

The liability of losing a City VTEC on the track compared to a brand new CLS or a cayenne is humongous.They're not track cars and neither are they interested in lap timings. All they wanted to do was have some fun on a sunday. If they had a ferrari or a lamborghini, VTEC would have been smoked. This is shown by the Porsche which did a 1:15 timing.

At the end of the day, after all this argument, they own CLS,cayennes, etc.. and about the whiners....sigh!!
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Hmm,
thats what i meant bro, why take credit off someone and badge him off saying that he had a powerful car and then criticising about the kinda car he was driving..
I think u are negating your statements yaar, if such be the case then why are u comparing the baleno with the mighty and more powerfull honda v-tech.

Lets all agree,
1. honda v-tech was more powerfull,Shantanu was a newbie on track and he did prove himself that he is awesome, J.D. vouched for that.

2. u were also good as u lapped better than a whole lot of people with race spec cars

3. my quote implies the driver beating times set by many previous drivers who had experience on that circuit, I did not want someone to take it litrerally. Sorry if I gave someone that impression.

4. Like u said ..J.D.was faster with an underpowered bike, then people should have been faster with the underpowered esteem or baleno or whatever than the v-tech (driver skills are more important)

5. If one cant push his car to the limit then why bring such a car to the track, practise hard and then get it so that a puny little car cant outshine u

6. Its not important what u ride.. what is , is how u ride..

Peace
I dont think u quite got what i meant .. Listen, stop comparing urself with the FTO , the CLS 350 and the cayenne (heck the cayenne isnt even meant to be on a track) .. Either u compare when u have two good drivers/riders on two bikes which are equally good (here the katana is good trust me not all that far behind the 1000rr) and the drivers are going all out or compare two similar cars/bikes where both the drivers are pushing it..

Comparing urself with super cars that were being driven like grandpas is no use .. Thats all im trying to say .. Is it that hard for u to understand .. I would certainly not prefer crediting myself with them , unless u want to be just a show off ..

Well now that u guys were boasting about the VTEC i just said a stock baleno did a lap under 0.5secs off the VTEC the last time , so stop saying we beat the crap out of all cars .. Trust me shan or wolf can still better that timing by a long margin .. I never intended to compare the two cars , all i said is there is a lot of scope for improvement and stop being so boasty so soon .. I myself have loads to learn even after 3 track days , there still are some faults that i aint getting them rectified .. Maybe at the next event ..

Coming to ur point number 5 , its the owners wish.. Who are u to tell them what they should do with their car , their money .. They have all rights to bring their car on track and drive like grandpas.. So lets leave this argument and talk something else ..

Btw guys , i nearly totalled my car because of this chap here .. He was driving the race esteem (with a talented young driver who was showing him the lines) .. I was behind him all the time and when i started to pull on him on the main straight i was half a car lengths behind him when side by side so decided to hold back and wait for the inner section to overtake and our man here suddenly decides to brake and bring the car to a halt with me doing speeds of over 130 behind him .. Had to brake and swerve frantically , and the baleno kept fishtailing so badly that for a sec i was scared that i could ram straight into him or worse loose control .. Was cursing that guy badly until the same night i figured out it was indeed shrey ..

PS : Shrey just realised .. According to ur theory the guy driving the race esteem with JD showing him the lines must have been super fast and even then they couldnt keep up with shan right ?? Then how come even though u had a similar spec car with an equally talented driver as ur navigator couldnt keep me behind u ??? Oh , just remembered he didnt let u speed up right ..
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Enough of the fist fight,guys.

I understand everyone's point but all that comes to my mind is that the VTEC boys are just doing what they always do. Put the "VTEC" on the altar and sing praises for it. Alright,accepted its a really really fast car.

Vtec boys also had fun driving it really fast on the circuit. Also, do keep in mind that not everyone on the track are driving fast, and track days don't mean race days.Its about having fun.Always, see if its safe to overtake and then overtake. It would be a nasty scenario if a novice is driving real slow in a corner and u're exiting at very high speeds.

Try owning one of these expensive import cars or superbikes and redlining on the track. U would never do that unless u're a crazy freak loaded with grandpa's money and don't care if u total it.

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Agreed.But all this 'Ja rule' talk is when u're driving a car paid for by a movie producer.

The liability of losing a City VTEC on the track compared to a brand new CLS or a cayenne is humongous.They're not track cars and neither are they interested in lap timings. All they wanted to do was have some fun on a sunday. If they had a ferrari or a lamborghini, VTEC would have been smoked. This is shown by the Porsche which did a 1:15 timing.

At the end of the day, after all this argument, they own CLS,cayennes, etc.. and about the whiners....sigh!!


Bottomline: Everyone needs to know what track-day means.
U just nailed it nitrous !!!! I think u said it like it had to be said .. Finally can we have some peace here and most importantly some pics and videos ..
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Hello saar,
good to know that u noticed my replies on this forum.. I guess I talk sense and seniors like u are recognising me.. wow!!

Hey bro...
I aint fighting or trying to prove a point... Saar, i dont own a v-tec or as a matter of fact I dont own a car... I am more of a biking guy..
With u seniors permission I wanna say something...

1.If one can buy a car which is so expensive, he can surely pay for its repairs.. whats the insurance for. (or did the movie producer ask him to come to the race track for a shoot!!)

2.When one gets a expensive car to a place called "RACE TRACK" he knows that its risky and his white elephant might get hurt. (U WANNA CHILL OUT ON A SUDAY U DONT COME TO A RACE TRACK TO DO THAT.. U "CRUISE" WITH UR WIFE/GIRLFREND ON SOME AWESOME STREET ROAD OR HAVE THANDI THANDI BEER AT HOME OR PUB...)

3 Having fun is not letting others know that u have the financial power to buy a friggin expensive car, but when it comes to driving skills ur a pauper.

I would also like to add in, even i raced the race spec esteem, I havent touched a car in app 1.6 yrs and I had that kid ashwin not let me rip or change gears.. I still clocked 1.29.something.. still better than many eh!!

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Hey xbhp dude.Nice to know ur on the forum.

He's a Natural.



Agreed.But all this 'Ja rule' talk is when u're driving a car paid for by a movie producer.

The liability of losing a City VTEC on the track compared to a brand new CLS or a cayenne is humongous.They're not track cars and neither are they interested in lap timings. All they wanted to do was have some fun on a sunday. If they had a ferrari or a lamborghini, VTEC would have been smoked. This is shown by the Porsche which did a 1:15 timing.

At the end of the day, after all this argument, they own CLS,cayennes, etc.. and about the whiners....sigh!!
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Hey, This mud slinging is taking away the fun of the week end outing it seems !! Its perfectly fine all of us have our opinions which may vary but all of you have made some valid comments and some not so valid comments ... so now lets CHILL and get more pics of the week end ...

Cum on fellas quit this discussion ....

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With u seniors permission I wanna say something...

1.If one can buy a car which is so expensive, he can surely pay for its repairs.. whats the insurance for. (or did the movie producer ask him to come to the race track for a shoot!!)

2.When one gets a expensive car to a place called "RACE TRACK" he knows that its risky and his white elephant might get hurt. (U WANNA CHILL OUT ON A SUDAY U DONT COME TO A RACE TRACK TO DO THAT.. U "CRUISE" WITH UR WIFE/GIRLFREND ON SOME AWESOME STREET ROAD OR HAVE THANDI THANDI BEER AT HOME OR PUB...)

3 Having fun is not letting others know that u have the financial power to buy a friggin expensive car, but when it comes to driving skills ur a pauper.

I would also like to add in, even i raced the race spec esteem, I havent touched a car in app 1.6 yrs and I had that kid ashwin not let me rip or change gears.. I still clocked 1.29.something.. still better than many eh!!

Peace.

Bro are you telling all this only to p*** us off.. man what are you talking about here huh??
Listen if one has the money to buy a very expensive car does not necessarily mean he will like to have it repaired or damaged.. if i have a supra does that mean i will paste it on the track then laugh it off and pay for the repairs aso.. it makes no sence...
And if i have the money to buy one of these cars then also i will have the driving skills because supercars are very unforgiving...if a person owning this car and driving them slow on the track does not mean he has no driving skills.. he will smoke you on the streets.. a TRACK is no place to have FUN.. its only MAN and MACHINE and the speeds you can control the car on... not how fast you can smoke somebody, or how many times you lapped a super car..if you cannot afford one of these cars then dont comment on the people who own them..and as far as the way they spend their days are concerned again its their money and if they wanna drive their cars around the track "CAN YOU STOP THEM".. i guess not..

yippee do.. you clocked 1.29.. hats off to you bro...
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Gentlemen

It would be good if each track day report DOES NOT end up in a Vtec-Baleno fight. There are more deserving cars in the world to talk about and neither of those cars are the last word in performance.

If you insist on turning every track day thread into these arguements, dont expect too many other people to be interested in what you have to say.

This has gone from the ridiculous to the ludicruous. You can have all your fights in public.
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Hmm,
well all I want to say is that number 1 i did not start any damn war between a v-tec and a baleno.. what the hec.. I might be new to this forum but I aint a fool to compare a v-tec which is a 100+bhp car with a baleno.. which is a sedate 90some bhp's plus i dont even own niether one of em. So that should take care of comparison
All i saw on this forum was someone taking credit away from a good driver.. his skills and complaining of having an underpowered vehicle..stupid things like the car was not stock and stuff... who asked someone not to supe up his car and run it.
This one is for u mclaren.. bro i stay away from my family.. I dont own a car and for the past 1.6 yrs I havent touched a car, the trackday was the first time after the said time frame that I touched the car..You are damn right, the owner of the race esteem did not let me step on the gas or shift into 2nd when almost half of the turns were 2nd gear turns and in that condition I timed a freakin 1.29.. dosent it hint something... i was some .03 seconds off ur best lap.. I also timed a 1.22. (rounded off) on the LGB's.. but did I complaint of not having driven a car for so long or something...
Man its easy to make excuses, difficult to prove.. screw proving me and the world that u are a good driver.. prove it to urself first and then point a finger at me...

and yes about the final turn that u were talking abt... to see me brakin.. I was almost off the bridge when u were exiting c8 all u could see was my brake lights for a flash I aint that dumb to stop in a middle of a race track..so stop saying that u lost it..cuz if u actually did then bro sorry to say.. u cant controll a car man..

Talking abt expensive cars .. well I lived in the US years with my family and they own a BMw serie7. a porsche cayane and I owned a vw passat w8.. so dont talk abt having expensive cars and not being able to rip them.. heck i blew the passats tyres just by constant sideways drifting and had the ***** to do that... for who those who dont know how much the passat costs.. pull up the vw website and see it for urself..its costlier than a beamer... So dont tell me **** about maintainance of an expensive car and crap..

Grow up guys.. gotta prove something.. Let actions speak more than words..

Lets end it here.. i aint a baleno owner and neither a v-tec..Dont take it personal guys..

Peace out.
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Congrats on topping the timesheets. Good show!
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We were a little concerned with the wear on the front left G Grid and decided to switch it with hois spare tyre which was a 185/60 R14 Potenza RE88.
Having different diameter tires on either side is not good for the differential. If you had an LSD it would have probably fried the clutches by now.
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Well the LGBs were running 195/60/R13s JK tyres (dont know the model numbers , but they were the same as the ones that they were renting out) not so sure if the FISSME's were running the same .. The race esteems were running the same as the LGB's ..
Hey Mc, thanks for the info. Are these special racing compunds made by JK or are they available in the market.
Is this a spec tire for the Esteem/LGB class. Maybe SG or Sideways can throw some light on this.
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Congrats on topping the timesheets. Good show!
Having different diameter tires on either side is not good for the differential. If you had an LSD it would have probably fried the clutches by now.
Yeah Mpower but I had no choice as I had the left front Bridgestone G Grid showing signs of D momt hence went with the above mentioned ludicruous preposition... Also, I thot any tyre is better than a busted tyre on track, pain and humiliation both you see

But next time I will be better prepared and the 'Green Giant' will be back with more meaning and purpose...LOL!

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