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Old 12th July 2009, 08:20   #361
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@ amit: most of the times, some experienced techinians can easily say whether the car has been serviced outside or at an A.S.S., maybe there are some clear signs of workmanship! or maybe in this case, he saw some sticker of TVS pasted somewhere.
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Just one question how they found that once it was serviced outside A.S.S ?
Did you tell your self ?
No,Mahindra has really gone hitech.Whenever any mahindra vehicle is serviced in their A S S the details are uploaded into a common data base with the chassis number. I was also shocked at first , because i had done all my service at another A S S until the last one at MY TVS.
So they are able to access info from that data base.ALL SCORPIO owners please be informed.
I am trying other sources direct /indirect to repair it.Understand that there is one private party repairing Turbos at Salem,predominantly for lorries.
Will update.
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No,Mahindra has really gone hitech.Whenever any mahindra vehicle is serviced in their A S S the details are uploaded into a common data base with the chassis number. I was also ....................
I am trying other sources direct /indirect to repair it.Understand that there is one private party repairing Turbos at Salem,predominantly for lorries.
Will update.
Hai Praddep,

Sad and shocking to hear of your problems with the turbo and TVS.... hope it gets sorted out soon.

TVS is ther service partner and their authorized workshop? I was in Trivandrum in 2007, my Scorpio was up for 10K service, I called the toll free number, they directed me to TVS, Cochin for the service. Does it mean that warranty runs out if it's not their ASC?

How much would to cost to repair / replace the turbo? It would be useful to have this knowledge. Do post details if you get. Tnx.

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Old 12th July 2009, 21:37   #364
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ALL SCORPIO owners please be informed.
Pradeep, this has been the case since I bought my Scorpio three years ago!
Kinda surprised you are unaware of it.

Still waiting for a clear answer on who oiled the air filter!
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TVS is ther service partner and their authorized workshop? I was in Trivandrum in 2007, my Scorpio was up for 10K service, I called the toll free number, they directed me to TVS, Cochin for the service. Does it mean that warranty runs out if it's not their ASC?


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T V Sundaram Iyengar & Sons is their ASC, but My TVS is a multi-car brand workshop, so quite natural that this has happened.

I have also serviced in TVS & Sons without any problem.

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who oiled the air filter!
Anup, do you think one round of oil change can end up spoiling the turbo?
And how does M&M pinpoint that the oiling was not done at the ASC?
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Anup, do you think one round of oil change can end up spoiling the turbo?
And how does M&M pinpoint that the oiling was not done at the ASC?
Indeed it can, HVK! That one 'round' of oiling could also have started a fire!
As for how M&M determine whether they did it, or someone else, .... well what can anyone guess?
What is important is to know where that got done.
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Had been irritated about a couple of problems on the Scorp CRDE, 35.8 k kms, 2 years.

Engine noise above normal, hard clutch pedals (very hard)small vibe on the wheels and unplanted feel of the tyres. Solved a whole lot of tyre problems with change over to yokos, URL here

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...ml#post1381031

The yoko C&F / Dealer also turned out to be an educated permformance enhancement specialist!!! He promised to sort out the noise, clutch and wheel vibes, turned out to be pricey !!!!

Change of tyre removed the wheel vibes. Decarbonising and setting the clutch master/ slave assembly made it much more smoother, he said air had to be bled out slowly and carefully, the slave piston was not going in fully, feels much better now.

Engine noise reduction is substantial, I think it has to do with decarbonising. He showed me a machine which sends a special fluid on pressure throught system wherever the diesel circulates and also cleans the injectors without opening anything!!!!! Anyone has any GYAN on this, would be educative for all.

There was a small leak on the power steering fluid tubes, fitted with a new clamp and secured.

And........... a K&N filter replacement on 7 day trial, if I am satisfied I can keep it, otherwise return it without any questions. If I decide to buy, it would cost me 5.2 K, a free service for the truck (about 650/- at the ASC) would be the freebee

The engine seems to be breathing better, the torque is perceptably higher in higher gears, where I needed 2nd, I can use 3rd now!!! I know there's more air going into the system now then earlier, just a little worried; does it mean more dust also going in? The guy explained there's no way dust will go it, the special coating of the filter attracts all dust particles and this filter is lifetime!!!! Would appreciate some information here, if there's a thread to this, please point......

Costs:
Tyres about 23 K +, Brake Oil -1 ltr, 295/-, Coolant 4 ltrs - 190/-, Radiator flush - 1 ltr - 326, Change Bulb FR- Philips Halogans - 100/90W-150/- (2nd replacement in 6 months), Serice - 850/- Decarbonizing - 2500/-, Clip Power steering tube- 15/- total about 27K. It's the spending season for the Scorp, but it's riding more like a car now so no regrets.

Your inputs on the costs; looks a wee bit above the normal ones to me.

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I entirely agree with Ramky - I also changed into Yokos last month and it is a lovely road, especially on wet Bombay roads. Noiseless. Good braking. However, I feel that my earlier Bridgestone ATs were better on high-speed turnings. But overall, a great buy and a comfortable and safe feeling.
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Ramky, the decarbonization that has been done is basically only of the diesel circuit, which does not really get carbonized except for the injector tips. That is exactly what additives like systemD also claim to be doing!
This is a partial decarb and the efficacy is questionable. However, some improvement might be perceptible.

As for any air filter that allows the engine to breathe easier, there is almost certainly more dust that can now find its way in. This will largely settle/stick to the blower wheel of the turbocharger. This will cause imbalance and eventual failure. Some dust will go past the blower wheel and clog the intercooler and some will find its way into the combustion chamber too.
No filter, other than plain mesh filters, has an indefinite life span.
If there is a special coating to trap dust it stands to logic that there is a finite limit to how much dust it can hold. After this, the dust absorbing 'stickiness' has been used up!

Maybe my views seem a little alarmist to you but please do remember there is a lot of inter-dependence in engine components; one thing leads to another. You're best off staying stock!

All of the above is of relevance only to those who've bought the car for the long haul. If you plan to change in, say, five years, you can well be adventurous!
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No,Mahindra has really gone hitech.Whenever any mahindra vehicle is serviced in their A S S the details are uploaded into a common data base with the chassis number. I was also shocked at first , because i had done all my service at another A S S until the last one at MY TVS.
So they are able to access info from that data base.ALL SCORPIO owners please be informed.
I am trying other sources direct /indirect to repair it.Understand that there is one private party repairing Turbos at Salem,predominantly for lorries.
Will update.
CRM or customer relationship management software is not really something new every company uses them , But using the CRM DB they can only find your last service record at thier own service centre and not outside. My question was how they found that last service was done outside which was not there in record , until and unless you leave the service stickers or confess yourself.

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CRM or customer relationship management software is not really something new every company uses them , But using the CRM DB they can only find your last service record at thier own service centre and not outside. My question was how they found that last service was done outside which was not there in record , until and unless you leave the service stickers or confess yourself.

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Amit,
Not really all service records done at any authorised outlet is being accessed by them.
As this was the first time i went to VST and all along it was MPL and the service at MY TVS which i told them.As they claimed that the oil filter and oil have not been changed for 10k kms,which was done at MYTVS.
Tnx
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Not really all service records done at any authorized outlet is being accessed by them.
As this was the first time i went to VST and all along it was MPL and the service at MY TVS
Yes that's what I mean all A.S.S across the country share the CRM record this is standard practice by all companies Maruti , Tata , GM and I would be surprised if there is any car companey whoch does not have this kind of system in place.
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which i told them.As they claimed that the oil filter and oil have not been changed for 10k kms,which was done at MYTVS.
Tnx
OK So now the picture is clear first they were rejecting the claim based on Oil Change not done at 10K and then when you told rejected on basis of service done outside.
But what is the oil change interval as per the manual

So important lesson get the oil change at stepulated interval at A.S.S even if you have volentryly changed earlier outside ( like making an offering at the temple ) , Well I did the same for my Safari but fortunately the marked interval in manual is 15 K so works for me.
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Ramky, the decarbonization that has been done is basically only of the diesel circuit, which does not really get carbonized except for the injector tips. That is exactly what additives like systemD also claim to be doing!
This is a partial decarb and the efficacy is questionable. However, some improvement might be perceptible.

As for any air filter that allows the engine to breathe easier, there is almost certainly more dust that can now find its way in. This will largely settle/stick to the blower wheel of the turbocharger. This will cause imbalance and eventual failure. Some dust will go past the blower wheel and clog the intercooler and some will find its way into the combustion chamber too.
No filter, other than plain mesh filters, has an indefinite life span.
If there is a special coating to trap dust it stands to logic that there is a finite limit to how much dust it can hold. After this, the dust absorbing 'stickiness' has been used up!

Maybe my views seem a little alarmist to you but please do remember there is a lot of inter-dependence in engine components; one thing leads to another. You're best off staying stock!

All of the above is of relevance only to those who've bought the car for the long haul. If you plan to change in, say, five years, you can well be adventurous!
Anupji,

Thanks for your inputs....

You echo some of my worries too, specially the filter. I am worried about the dust too and seriously thinking of returning the filter after the 7 day trial. It's logical that dust will find its way into the chambers, matter of time.
Oh...... yes, I'd sell it before 5 years, that's for sure.

I remember a thread somewhere here discussing the finer points of performance filters including the Greens, can't find it on my search..

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Found thread here......

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...n-filters.html (K&N filters)
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Hi ! Waiting for your final verdict on the K&N Filter.

I was planning to get one, but the talk on excess dust intake has pu a temporary brake on the plans.

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K&N filter replacement on 7 day trial, if I am satisfied I can keep it, otherwise return it without any questions. If I decide to buy, it would cost me 5.2 K, a free service for the truck (about 650/- at the ASC) would be the freebee earlier, just a little worried; does it mean more dust also going in? The guy explained there's no way dust will go it, the special coating of the filter attracts all dust particles and this filter is lifetime!!!! Would appreciate some information here, if there's a thread to this, please point
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