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Old 12th March 2015, 16:53   #3991
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You know how 235-70R16s happened? Simple, if they worked beautifully in Scorpio, they would work here.
Period! If I had not done that, you'd still be saddled with 215-75R15s with outer shoulder wear @ 20,000 kms. Don't people have eyes to see that 215-75R15s have outer shoulder wear @ 20000 kms, no matter how perfect your steering geometry is? HaHaHa!
Hello BD sir, guilty of going off topic here but I must ask this. I have purchased the Scorpio EX, which I believe comes with the 215-75R15s, so does this mean I can look forward to the outer shoulder wear happening with our car

I always had the plan of upgrading the tyres later on, what do I need to watch out for, should I take that step early on, rather than waiting.

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Hello BD sir, guilty of going off topic here but I must ask this. I have purchased the Scorpio EX, which I believe comes with the 215-75R15s, so does this mean I can look forward to the outer shoulder wear happening with our car? I always had the plan of upgrading the tyres later on, what do I need to watch out for, should I take that step early on, rather than waiting. Thank you!
Dear Trojan - (sorry, forgot your name, feeling stupid for it, please PM me your number also), hello after more than 3 years I guess. Do you still have MH14D900?

Yes, you will definitely get outer shoulder wear before 20000 kms as Scorpio UW is more. Please change to 235/70R16 Bridgestone tires with 6.5J*16 Scorpio steel wheels as the offset is same at +55mm and PCD is also same at 160mm. As your vehicle has single pot caliper brakes, you will not have any issue to fit the 16" wheels but the reverse is not possible. There are lots of guys floating around who have fitted nonsense on their Scorpios so you should be able to get these wheels from a good tire shop for slightly more than a pittance. Do not confuse Scorpio wheels with Xenon wheels, they look same but they are not same. Read "6.5J*16" stamped on the rim and measure the offset. It must be +55mm (mounting face inside the center line). Also be careful not to fit Safari wheels, although they look different, they will fit because there also the PCD is same at 160mm but the offset is +45mm and not +55mm. Aria 17" wheels with Aria tires will give very good performance but please don't fit as the offset is +50mm.

All this data is public knowledge, anybody can measure, it takes 5 minutes.

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The fuel filter fitted in my Scorpio is of SOGEFI brand.

I took the car to a competent FNG nearby and he diagnosed the problem to be a faulty sensor (interestingly the sensor for this brand is not available in the open market - the service advisor at ASC later confirmed this adding that in this unit only the sensor alone can't be changed but the whole body has to be replaced). ASC guys have drained the unit today and advised me to have the diesel tank and fuel lines drained and cleaned if the indicator still glows (but they still didn't open and clean the unit and filter even when i insisted, seems like they work backwards)!
An update to this issue. I took the Scorpio to NOIDA ASC for its 2nd year service 2 days back and told them about this problem (as it persisted intermittently). As usual they attributed it to water presence in fuel tank and recommended cleaning diesel tank and fuel lines. I asked them to check the sensor only first (and not to go ahead with tank cleaning till they check the sensor and take my approval). As suspected, the sensor was indeed found to be faulty and therefore the whole fuel filter unit was replaced under warranty.
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Also be careful not to fit Safari wheels, although they look different, they will fit because there also the PCD is same at 160mm but the offset is +45mm and not +55mm. Aria 17" wheels with Aria tires will give very good performance but please don't fit as the offset is +50mm.
Sir, slightly off topic, what are they trying to achieve with 5 mm offset difference ? Is there some rationality behind it or again some APQP in the loop? What PCD do Aria wheels come with ?

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Dear Trojan - (sorry, forgot your name, feeling stupid for it, please PM me your number also), hello after more than 3 years I guess. Do you still have MH14D900?
A bit unfair Sir, you remember all the history about his car but not his name.

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Dear Trojan - (sorry, forgot your name, feeling stupid for it, please PM me your number also), hello after more than 3 years I guess. Do you still have MH14D900?

Yes, you will definitely get outer shoulder wear before 20000 kms as Scorpio UW is more. Please change to 235/70R16 Bridgestone tires with 6.5J*16 Scorpio steel wheels as the offset is same at +55mm and PCD is also same at 160mm. As your vehicle has single pot caliper brakes, you will not have any issue to fit the 16" wheels but the reverse is not possible.
Thank you Sir, have sent you a PM with my contact details. Yes nearly three years after my foray into Jeeps
MH-14-B-900 is in good hands and well looked after and lives in a society owned by Mahindra.

Now, the tyre business definitely needs to be sorted, will start looking out for rims

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A bit unfair Sir, you remember all the history about his car but not his name. Spike
Spike, but hey we all know what Jeeps mean to Sir! And am sure he remembers the drive as well, pouring cats and dogs and well...the wipers were not working

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Sir, slightly off topic, what are they trying to achieve with 5 mm offset difference ? Is there some rationality behind it or again some APQP in the loop? What PCD do Aria wheels come with ? A bit unfair Sir, you remember all the history about his car but not his name. Spike
Dear Pratheesh - hello, how's Germany? I'm glad you got out of the ****! .

There is no rationality behind the 5 mm difference, at least not that I know of. I guess somebody must have done something in isolation. However, I hope you know why Scorpio is +55mm. It was done to reduce the TCD of the NGCS Armada prototype in England. The whole thing started in 1995 / 96 and it still continues! Aria PCD is alco 160mm. Aria rear axle is common with the Storme. Aria base and mid models get 16" wheels, the top end model only gets 17" wheels, that too only alloys. I wish 17" steel wheels were available, it would have been perfect for the Thar! The tires are 235/65R17s with very stable tread pattern, can you imagine the flat handling that it would have given on the 180 degree corner at the far end of the Nasik test track? Oh well, forget it!

I remember car registration numbers better than names, so I guess I should be called MH01 or something like that. Sorry again Salil, I am glad to know that MH14B900 is in good hands. .

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Dear Fellow Scorpio owners,
The left door window pane of my beast does not roll down anymore. The ASC suggests to replace the entire motor assembly costly around 2.5k. As always, I have my doubts on what they have suggested. Request some expert advice here.

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The left door window pane of my beast does not roll down anymore. The ASC suggests to replace the entire motor assembly costly around 2.5k. As always, I have my doubts on what they have suggested. Request some expert advice here.

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Can you hear the motor humming...if yes then there is problem with the winder assembly.

If no then it could be the following:

1. Motor gone.
2. Wiring issue
3. Both motor and the winder gone

Unless your car is under warranty I would suggest that you get in touch with a local parts shop and get the motor / winder or both.

In Navi Mumbai the motor used to cost around 1200 Rs. some time back and the winder 950.00 Rs. Fitting 200 Rs.
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Can you hear the motor humming...if yes then there is problem with the winder assembly.

If no then it could be the following:

1. Motor gone.
2. Wiring issue
3. Both motor and the winder gone

Unless your car is under warranty I would suggest that you get in touch with a local parts shop and get the motor / winder or both.

In Navi Mumbai the motor used to cost around 1200 Rs. some time back and the winder 950.00 Rs. Fitting 200 Rs.
Yes the best option is to go to a specialist. In Delhi, we have them in a few of the motor repair centres. Let them dismantle the whole thing and then they will diagnose and in general give you the best options. For our Exteem, we had to go for both the rear window. In both the cases they just dismantled the motor, cleaned the insides, oiled the bearings and the winder mechanism. The result was super smooth window movements.

If the channel in which the glass runs is a bit bent, they will straighten it and most probably put a new felt liner.
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Can you hear the motor humming...if yes then there is problem with the winder assembly.

If no then it could be the following:

1. Motor gone.
2. Wiring issue
3. Both motor and the winder gone

Unless your car is under warranty I would suggest that you get in touch with a local parts shop and get the motor / winder or both.

In Navi Mumbai the motor used to cost around 1200 Rs. some time back and the winder 950.00 Rs. Fitting 200 Rs.

Dear m_upreti,
There is no humming. The wiring is fine, even I believe its the motor. However the charge you quoted seems what I felt is correct. Next time when I am in Mumbai. I will connect with you and get the motor replaced.
Thanks for your advice.
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The brakes lost vacuum pressure last night and went hard and it was an effort braking by standing on the brakes.

Issue: The on of the rubber line was degraded at the ends and came off.

Solution: Bought a foot length the tubing at 20 Rs. / ft. and replaced it.

Have bought a spare 4 ft. for changing the rest of the tubings over the weekend.

It is surprising that the quality of such a crucial part is so poor, M&M should be looking at using some high quality material so that these pipes last a life time.

Need a small help. There is one piece of tubing still hanging for which I am unable to find a place to attach.

The only place left is a nozzle on the pipe (highlighted) coming from the air filter. However, if the tube is attached there the car is starting to spew thick black smoke.
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The brakes lost vacuum pressure last night and went hard and it was an effort braking by standing on the brakes. It is surprising that the quality of such a crucial part is so poor, M&M should be looking at using some high quality material so that these pipes last a life time.
Dear Manish Upreti - hello after a very long time. .

The photograph in your above post is of Scorpio LHD. Where did you get this photograph? The vacuum hose is a critical part in the brake system, please do not use any altu faltu part, please be careful.

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Dear Manish Upreti - hello after a very long time. .

The photograph in your above post is of Scorpio LHD. Where did you get this photograph? The vacuum hose is a critical part in the brake system, please do not use any altu faltu part, please be careful.

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Dear Behram Sir,

Great to hear from you after such a long time.

The picture is from google, I was too lazy to click the actuals, I had noticed the battery on the LHS and wondering some thing was different.

Here are the actual pics and the tubings which are degraded.

I will go by your advise on how to go about this issue further, I got the replacement done on an emergency basis today morning to make it to the office.
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The Engine Check Light Issue in my Scorpio finally seems to have been resolved for good.

The error listed by the OBD scanner was: "658 Boost Pressure Control. Regulation No Plausible"

The issue was with the leaking vacuum tubings which had degraded on the edges.

2 weeks back I had an issue with a loss of brake pressure due to a broken vacuum tube while replacing that tubing I had purchased a length of spare tube.

Yesterday spent a couple of hours replacing the old tubings with lengths of new pipe and connected the final piece to the air filter outlet and started the car the light was there.

Then I disconnected the battery and the ECU for 30 mts. and reconnected both.

The light is gone, driven some 30 kms. after that, will monitor it for the next few days and see.

The unfortunate part is that the M&M service advisors / technicians were not able to identify this small issue and during every scanning I was just being charged for clearing the error code which used to resurfaced within a few kms.
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My vehicle's dot 3 break oil level was going low very frequently. As it turned out there was a leak in the break fluid pipe. So got it changed and also got the break shoes replaced as they were worn out. The odo reading stands at 40k.
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