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Old 9th October 2009, 10:15   #616
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Chandrda.. Did your tyre issue / vibrations get resolved yet ?
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Took the Scorpio from the Serivce Centre yesterday after 6 days being in the service centre.

Will take the Scorpio for a drive this weekend and check if the vibration problem has been resolved. Service centre guys told they have checked the differential and Prop Shaft thoroughly and done some repairs to the differential, need to get the full details.

Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that the problem will be resolved as its been more than 6 months now.
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Hi All,
I have a Non CRDE 2.6 Chain Drive (Turbo SZ2600 Plus) Scorpio which has done 66000 kms.

At the time of my general check-up before my drive up to the hills last week we discovered that the AC Condenser Fan Fuse was Blown up. It was replaced and it blew up again.

Then after my trip my local mechanic checked and told me that the AC Condenser fan is totally jammed. The AC is working just fine without the fan for some time now. The temperature is also normal.

Now the MASS is quoting 8500 for the fan. My local mechanic is telling me that he will find single fan of the same size or fix 2 fans and I don't need to spend 8.5 K on the Condenser fan.

Has anybody else faced this problem. Is'nt 8500 too much for a simple 12V DC Fan. WE could buy a 1 Ton Ac for that money.

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of course its expensive buddy & A.S.S is generally always expensive.

but i would still not recommend you to allow your local mech to experiment with the standard fitments of your car. even if it works for you, next time if any issue arises which your local mech cannot solve, the MASS would simply blame it on the "non-standard" part in your car & would literally fleece you.
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Then after my trip my local mechanic checked and told me that the AC Condenser fan is totally jammed.

Now the MASS is quoting 8500 for the fan.
AFAIK even non-CRDe Scorpios came with a Subros AC system - and I think you would save some by approaching the Subros service centre (at Noida) or one of the Subros-trained AC technicians. PM me if you need any help on this.
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Old 12th October 2009, 09:41   #620
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Hi All

I am facing a strange but very serious problem with my scorpio. The entire scorpio vibrates at a particular speed and RPM in different gears. The vibration is not constant, anything above or below that particular speed and RPM, the vibrations stops. I can feel the vibration in the steering, floor, ORVMs and body. When ever I accelarate hard or going through a slope, I get a wobbly feeling from the front wheels. When ever I apply brakes to negotiate a hump, it slows down with a vibrations right at the end. Its very difficult to explain this problem even to Service Centre Guys.

I have shown the vibration to them and they have tried hard to resolve the issue, but it seems to never go away.

This vibration has only creeped up from last 5-6 months.

I am really looking for few suggestion from you guys, as this vibration is really taking away the joy of driving my scorpio.

Its a 2007 LX Model and has done 37500 KMS.

Here are the thing which we have done to resolve the vibration -
1. New Bridgestone Tyres - has done only 2000 KMS
2. New Wheels Discs (RIMS)
3. New Propeller Shaft
4. New Intermediate Shaft
5. Entire suspension has been thoroughly checked.
6. New Engine Mounts
7. Body Bolts checked and tightened
8. Gear Box removed and Aligned
9. New Oil seperator
10. Turbo cleaned
11. Intercooler cleaned
12. Diesel and oil filter cleaned
13. 'n' number of wheel balancing and alignment done

I an really looking for few suggestion from all your scorpio experts

Thanks in Advance
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Hi Rahulk76

Took the Scorpio from the Serivce Centre yesterday after 6 days being in the service centre.

Will take the Scorpio for a drive this weekend and check if the vibration problem has been resolved. Service centre guys told they have checked the differential and Prop Shaft thoroughly and done some repairs to the differential, need to get the full details.

Keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that the problem will be resolved as its been more than 6 months now.
The Vibration on my Scorpio doesn't seems to go away. After 6 days in Serivce Centre there is obsolutely no difference at all in the Scorpio condition. At this rate of vibration I will develop arthritis in few months.

What else do I need to check and might be causing this vibration. Recently got the prop shaft, differential, tyres, rims and back wheel bearing checked.

I am planning to re-check the engine mounting.

Experts, please suggest what else do I need to do to resolve this mid marriage crisis with my scorpio

SS-Traveller had suggested to check the universal joint bearing, need more information on this as well

Thanks in Advance
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AFAIK even non-CRDe Scorpios came with a Subros AC system - and I think you would save some by approaching the Subros service centre (at Noida) or one of the Subros-trained AC technicians. PM me if you need any help on this.
Thanks Raj & SS

I found a dealer for wholesale Car AC Spares. The Condensor Fan costed 1300 + 300 fitting + 400 Gas Top-Up. Total Expense 2000.
MASS would have billed me 10,000 for the same .

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Ok Now I need Advice on another thing. I have a NON CRDE 2.6 Turbo Plus (Chain Drive) Scorpio which has done about 65000/= km.

Till 60,000 all my 4 tyres on the wheels were the original Bridgestone Dueller H/T. They were kind of worn out. My Spare Tyre was almost unused.

I was driving up to the hills, so I just spent 5K and bought 1 new Bridgestone Dueller HT and replaced the 2 front tyres with the new one and the almost new spare stepeny.

Now I feel that the rear tyres also need to retire. I drive my Scorpio a lot on bad roads, I have driven to Leh Twice, Jalori Pass etc.

I really want Tubeless Tyres. I have 2 New Bridgestone Dueller H/T in the front.

I have 3 Options :

1. I Buy 2 New Bridgestone Dueller H/T with Tube for the rear ...I will have to spend 10 K and I will have 4 New Bridgestone Dueller H/T with Tube. (I will miss having tubeless tyres like the Yokohomas or the Bridgestone A/T or Michilin)

2. I buy 2 Tubeless Tyres, and run the Scorpio with 2 Bridgestone Dueller HT (With Tube) and 2 Tubeless. This will also cost me 10 K. I will have different tyres for front and rear.

3. I buy 4 New Tubeless Tyres, Shift one of the new Bridgestone Dueller H/T as Spare and Discard One new Bridgestone Dueller H/T . This is the most expensive option as I will have to spend about 22K on 4 Bridgestone Dueller A/Ts or Yokohoma Geolanders

What would be the best options? I can afford the 4 new tyres, but I relly don't want to spend 12 K Extra if it's not going to make much difference from having all 4 good old Bridgestone Dueller H/Ts.

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Hey guys,

I just did a 5500 km trip in 14 days, put the scorpio through its paces, did some serious off roading, some serious higway driving, some serious driving on curvaceous roads. And the following are the problems I faced.

Highway driving:
  1. Really sound proofing done in the Scorpio Mhawk
  2. Top speed achieved 140 KMPH - on the Baroda - Ahemdabad Expressway
  3. @ 140 KMP the extra large side view mirrors give a 'whisteling' sound at those speeds, so had contract those.
  4. Above 130 kmph, the car doesnt feel safe,
  5. The f.e drops once you drive above 110 kmph.
  6. Cruise control feature is a boon on expressways
  7. Extra-ordinary braking, brilliant driving position, though height adjustable driver seats would be better.
Offroading:
  1. This is where this car actually comes in its elements.
  2. Even though 80% of the Scorpios are never driven off road, this car is built to capture the off road
  3. No problem on driving off road, the wider foot print of the bridgestones just cruised over all the bumps
  4. A lot of time i just splashed through the large puddles without any problem
  5. Even at 14000 feet, there were no issues of the car not breathing properly.
  6. A fact that i did mumbai - himachal - mumbai without a single puncture leave aside any other mechnical issues is testimony to the cars built quality.
Driving on bends:
  1. THe new scorpio mhawk is way better than the older scorpio on bends.
  2. though you can drive briskly on tight bends, once will realize that the scorpio is not made for driving on tight bends.
Over all F.E we got on HIghways was 12 kmpl, and while doing the ghats we got 10 kmpl.

cheers,
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good question.
If I were you I would simply go with Option 3, followed by Option 1.
Option 2 is no use.
It is best to constantly rotate the tyres so that they achieve even wear and tear all around. Do this once every 5000 km along with a proper tyre balancing and wheel alignment job and you will see how much more mileage and efficiency one can extract from one's tyres!

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Ok Now I need Advice on another thing. I have a NON CRDE 2.6 Turbo Plus (Chain Drive) Scorpio which has done about 65000/= km.

Till 60,000 all my 4 tyres on the wheels were the original Bridgestone Dueller H/T. They were kind of worn out. My Spare Tyre was almost unused.

I was driving up to the hills, so I just spent 5K and bought 1 new Bridgestone Dueller HT and replaced the 2 front tyres with the new one and the almost new spare stepeny.

Now I feel that the rear tyres also need to retire. I drive my Scorpio a lot on bad roads, I have driven to Leh Twice, Jalori Pass etc.

I really want Tubeless Tyres. I have 2 New Bridgestone Dueller H/T in the front.

I have 3 Options :

1. I Buy 2 New Bridgestone Dueller H/T with Tube for the rear ...I will have to spend 10 K and I will have 4 New Bridgestone Dueller H/T with Tube. (I will miss having tubeless tyres like the Yokohomas or the Bridgestone A/T or Michilin)

2. I buy 2 Tubeless Tyres, and run the Scorpio with 2 Bridgestone Dueller HT (With Tube) and 2 Tubeless. This will also cost me 10 K. I will have different tyres for front and rear.

3. I buy 4 New Tubeless Tyres, Shift one of the new Bridgestone Dueller H/T as Spare and Discard One new Bridgestone Dueller H/T . This is the most expensive option as I will have to spend about 22K on 4 Bridgestone Dueller A/Ts or Yokohoma Geolanders

What would be the best options? I can afford the 4 new tyres, but I relly don't want to spend 12 K Extra if it's not going to make much difference from having all 4 good old Bridgestone Dueller H/Ts.

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I'm so glad. With the older 2.6 Non CRDE I get an average of 12 on Highways. And I've also done a top speed of 140. On bends the Scorpio has body roll, I think that they have improved on that in the newer model.
One thing that the MASS Service guy told me that the Newer Suspension does tend to slide a little after the vehicle has been driven over 50K. The older leaf spring suspension though more jerky is more reliable.
HV Kumar is probabaly the first person to have broken one leaf of the Leaf Spring.

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This is a nice report. Why dont you put it in along with some pics in the travelogue section OR in the Short Term/ Long term Review section.

I agree with your point about NOT driving too fast around tight bends - the Scorpio is a tall vehicle and simply cannot be expected to behave like a low slung sports car on the twisties.
The mileage returned as per your note is very decent and indeed as per my experience this is about normal.

When you say the new Scorpio is better on the bends - it would be nice to know more - is it on account of body roll, suspension set up, middle row comfort, driver handling or any other?

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Hey guys,

I just did a 5500 km trip in 14 days, put the scorpio through its paces, did some serious off roading, some serious higway driving, some serious driving on curvaceous roads. And the following are the problems I faced.

Highway driving:
  1. Really sound proofing done in the Scorpio Mhawk
  2. Top speed achieved 140 KMPH - on the Baroda - Ahemdabad Expressway
  3. @ 140 KMP the extra large side view mirrors give a 'whisteling' sound at those speeds, so had contract those.
  4. Above 130 kmph, the car doesnt feel safe,
  5. The f.e drops once you drive above 110 kmph.
  6. Cruise control feature is a boon on expressways
  7. Extra-ordinary braking, brilliant driving position, though height adjustable driver seats would be better.
Offroading:
  1. This is where this car actually comes in its elements.
  2. Even though 80% of the Scorpios are never driven off road, this car is built to capture the off road
  3. No problem on driving off road, the wider foot print of the bridgestones just cruised over all the bumps
  4. A lot of time i just splashed through the large puddles without any problem
  5. Even at 14000 feet, there were no issues of the car not breathing properly.
  6. A fact that i did mumbai - himachal - mumbai without a single puncture leave aside any other mechnical issues is testimony to the cars built quality.
Driving on bends:
  1. THe new scorpio mhawk is way better than the older scorpio on bends.
  2. though you can drive briskly on tight bends, once will realize that the scorpio is not made for driving on tight bends.
Over all F.E we got on HIghways was 12 kmpl, and while doing the ghats we got 10 kmpl.

cheers,
ac
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good question.
If I were you I would simply go with Option 3, followed by Option 1.
Option 2 is no use.
It is best to constantly rotate the tyres so that they achieve even wear and tear all around. Do this once every 5000 km along with a proper tyre balancing and wheel alignment job and you will see how much more mileage and efficiency one can extract from one's tyres!
Thanks, I am also leaning towards this. I think I will do with the old Bridgestones at the back, and shred them till the time I plan to drive highways next. I'll buy 4 tubeless tyres before my next long outstation drive.

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I have broken several leaf springs - 8, to be precise, 5 of them in one shot thanks to some sloppy workmanship in the M&M ASC during the leaf spring overhaul (overlooked to put in bushes in between!),

Tubeless tyres make all the difference in body roll and comfort, besides improving handling tremendously. Bridgestone gives long life, handles better in high speeds, has less tyre noise. Yokos are harder/uncomfortable, but are tougher, handle wet roads very well, but lose out badly on mileage.
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Hey guys,

I just did a 5500 km trip in 14 days, put the scorpio through its paces, did some serious off roading, some serious higway driving, some serious driving on curvaceous roads. And the following are the problems I faced.

Highway driving:
  1. Really sound proofing done in the Scorpio Mhawk
  2. Top speed achieved 140 KMPH - on the Baroda - Ahemdabad Expressway
  3. @ 140 KMP the extra large side view mirrors give a 'whisteling' sound at those speeds, so had contract those.
  4. Above 130 kmph, the car doesnt feel safe,
  5. The f.e drops once you drive above 110 kmph.
  6. Cruise control feature is a boon on expressways
  7. Extra-ordinary braking, brilliant driving position, though height adjustable driver seats would be better.
Offroading:
  1. This is where this car actually comes in its elements.
  2. Even though 80% of the Scorpios are never driven off road, this car is built to capture the off road
  3. No problem on driving off road, the wider foot print of the bridgestones just cruised over all the bumps
  4. A lot of time i just splashed through the large puddles without any problem
  5. Even at 14000 feet, there were no issues of the car not breathing properly.
  6. A fact that i did mumbai - himachal - mumbai without a single puncture leave aside any other mechnical issues is testimony to the cars built quality.
Driving on bends:
  1. THe new scorpio mhawk is way better than the older scorpio on bends.
  2. though you can drive briskly on tight bends, once will realize that the scorpio is not made for driving on tight bends.
Over all F.E we got on HIghways was 12 kmpl, and while doing the ghats we got 10 kmpl.

cheers,
ac
good report buddy. the FE figures you have mentioned are good.
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I have broken several leaf springs - 8, to be precise, 5 of them in one shot thanks to some sloppy workmanship in the M&M ASC during the leaf spring overhaul (overlooked to put in bushes in between!),

Tubeless tyres make all the difference in body roll and comfort, besides improving handling tremendously. Bridgestone gives long life, handles better in high speeds, has less tyre noise. Yokos are harder/uncomfortable, but are tougher, handle wet roads very well, but lose out badly on mileage.
Thanks HVKumar Sir, This info was very useful. Bridgestone Dueller A/Ts is what i intend to get.

I had great experience with Michelin Tubeless for my Sedan. Are Michelin Tubeless available for Scorpios ?

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