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Old 21st October 2009, 11:10   #661
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It was done to a Maruti Omni many years back that my Dad owned.
The kamaniwallahs I knew were quite averse to recambering Maruti (800 and Omni) spring leaves. Those cars only had a single main leaf holding up the car, not a bunch of leaves, and what the fellows had to say was that the metals came highly tempered (more so than Ambys/Fiats), and hammering them was bound to make them crack.

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Honestly, hvkumar I wonder if repairing of leaves has not been a bad thing at all in your case, considering the number of times you have had issues with the leaves. I have never till date had a broken leaf, though the Maruti I referred above did snap a leaf, maybe cause the leaves were recambered, like in your case.
HVK, I guess you've had your suspension attended to maybe 3, 4 times? That's not bad at all. Incidentally, BOTH my M-800 springs broke within 10 days of each other (completely original, never hammered/recambered/heated) at @45,000 km after my trip to Gangotri and Badrinath.

Springs break - hammering or no hammering. No big deal. But then...
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I guess, to each their own!
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Old 21st October 2009, 11:26   #662
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this is absolutely correct.
I ve seen this many a time on the old Amby's and Fiats as well as the Old Mahindra Jeeps and some of the lorries too. It was a regular road side cottage industry in the 1970's, 80's and even 90's.
And it WAS funny to see the suddenly raised rear of the Amby after the leaf springs had gotten re-cambered with the old hammer and blowtorch method.The amby acquired, (to my mind), a slightly "constipated" appearance after re-cambering!

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Mohnish, this 'fixing' or repairing of leaf springs is an old tradition in our country! In complete ignorance, all and sundry have re-cambered leaf springs with a modest hammer and at times a blow torch, ever since the advent of the first of our Indian automobiles like the Baby Hindustan and the Landmasters! I've seen this highly questionable practice for over five decades now!

Needless to say that with total absence of know-how and an unwillingness to adopt correct practices, the job was always a resounding failure! For a few days it did give the car a very impressive trim - amazingly wedge shaped, with the back standing proud by at least a foot! But in short order, within a few weeks, it would rapidly collapse under load and you had a car all ready for take-off! The front stood proud by a good foot!

Without the correct regimen of heat treatment it is futile to try and restore leaf springs to original glory.
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Old 23rd October 2009, 11:18   #663
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I went to a tyre shop yesterday. I wanted to get 4 Tubeless Tyres fitted.

The guy was checking my front tyres for a buyback. He observed there were "Gaddas" (Small Uneven Patches on the Almost new Bridgestone H/T Tyres. He advised me that I needed to get the Shock Absorbers and the Suspension checked before I fitted new tyres.

Now tomorrow I am planning to go to MASS (Bhasin Motors, New Delhi) for this. My NON CRDE Scorpio has done 66,000 kms Can the seniors please advise about what all needs to be checked. What could be the causes of this. What all in the Suspension and Shocks could be wrong at this stage of the Vehicle ?

HV Sir, what was the maintainence schedule of the Suspension and Shock Absorbers on your Scorpio. YOur inputs would be really helpful.

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Old 23rd October 2009, 11:54   #664
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I would change the tie rod ends and other rubbers in the suspension after checking if it is frayed and old. Normally, I do my suspension overhaul (changing rubbers, etc) every 50,000 kms. Shock absorbers may be good, very little reason to change them unless they are leaking or otherwise faulty.

I would suspect your wheel alignment - change your wheel alignment guy and see how the car performs.

Have hub degreasing also done - that will also check out the state of your wheel bearings and replace if necessary (although Scorpio bearings are very robust and long-lived)
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Old 23rd October 2009, 12:01   #665
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@pramod

I have seen many a VLX with broken alloy wheel protrusions. (the cup like thing that sticks out). In all probability your's would have cracked and then broken. Now Mahindra fixes the flat round caps in the centre. See if you can get those fitted.
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Old 23rd October 2009, 12:15   #666
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I had the flat round one, I certainly believe it was intentional by someone or may be boys playing in the basement, because the vehicle was standstill for almost 45 days, anyway its out of stock at service center for now, they will let me know when its in , anyone willing to help me from there town is appreciated.

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Hello guys,

I just returned from a Mumbai-Sasan Gir- Mumbai road trip. In 5 days I drove my VlX for a distance of about 1,850 Kms. Most of the drive was on excellent tarmac roads with a little off roading in Gir. This is the first time that my Scorp went interstate and I must say that this vehicle is very reliable, responsive, sturdy, comfortable and commands respect from everyone else on the road.

After the trip I have noticed some creaking in the front seats. I also found that the steering shakes / vibrates between speeds of 100-120. Is this because of a wheel alignment issue?

My car has just completed 20,000 kms and the servicing is due. Do you guys know what is to be checked, tightened, lubricated and replaced during the 20k service? 'Cos last time I left the Authorised Service Centre after the 15K servicing, the service rep said " next service mein balancing, alignment karega aur fuel / diesel filter change karega" and a bunch of other things. It somehow sounded like preparing me in advance for a major rip off. I could be wrong though. Do any of you guys know what exctly has to be done in the 20k service?

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Old 23rd October 2009, 12:28   #668
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I had the flat round one, I certainly believe it was intentional by someone or may be boys playing in the basement, because the vehicle was standstill for almost 45 days, anyway its out of stock at service center for now, they will let me know when its in , anyone willing to help me from there town is appreciated.

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Try calling the toll free Mahindra helpline, they should be able to help arrange for it. The number is imprinted on your car key.
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hi wolfheart, here are the details of the 20,000 kms service of my scorpio:

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here is the break up of the service bill:

1) Maximile supreme oil - 6 lit. - Rs. 912/-
2) Oil filter - 1 - Rs. 138/-
3) Max treat (Oil additive added on my request) - 1 - Rs. 346/-
4) Fuel filter - 1 - Rs. 1445/-
5) Washer - 4 - Rs. 64/-
6) Cotton Waste - 2 - Rs. 17/-
7) W.D. 40 - 1 - Rs. 54/-

Labour Charges:

1) Change engine oil - Rs. 300/-
2) Fuel Filter - Rs. 300/-
3) Vehicle Washing - Rs. 450/-

# Whats shocking:
1) Rs. 17/- for the cotton waste!!! why are they acting like beggars?
2) Labour charge Rs. 450/- for vehicle washing! does every A.S.S. charge for this?
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20,000 kms is too early to do any serous work on the Scorpio. Like what Raj said, it will typically be a oil-filter change service.

Check out wheel balancing and alignment - explains the vibration problem.
Have the brake pads cleaned, will have taken lot of dust during the GJ trip.
Have them check all the underbody nuts and tighten, if necessary.
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I would change the tie rod ends and other rubbers in the suspension after checking if it is frayed and old. Normally, I do my suspension overhaul (changing rubbers, etc) every 50,000 kms. Shock absorbers may be good, very little reason to change them unless they are leaking or otherwise faulty.

I would suspect your wheel alignment - change your wheel alignment guy and see how the car performs.

Have hub degreasing also done - that will also check out the state of your wheel bearings and replace if necessary (although Scorpio bearings are very robust and long-lived)
Thank you for the prompt response.

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Try calling the toll free Mahindra helpline, they should be able to help arrange for it. The number is imprinted on your car key.
I didn't realized the numbers imprinted on the key are toll free number, I had to search the manual during leh trip to call the help line, a big thanks, now I know I don't have to go back and see the manual for number!!
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hi wolfheart, here are the details of the 20,000 kms service of my scorpio:
hello Raj,

Good to hear from you again. My A.S.S guys are rip offs, they charge me 650 for a full car wash with pressure hoses and they wash the underbody as well. The local petrol pump does it for less.

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20,000 kms is too early to do any serous work on the Scorpio. Like what Raj said, it will typically be a oil-filter change service.

Check out wheel balancing and alignment - explains the vibration problem.
Have the brake pads cleaned, will have taken lot of dust during the GJ trip.
Have them check all the underbody nuts and tighten, if necessary.
Thanks HVKumar! I got the oil changed at 13000 Kms. Do I get it changed this time or would it last longer? Is it advisable to get the alignment and balancing done from a Tyre Shop, since they would be more efficient and cheaper as well?

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I didn't realized the numbers imprinted on the key are toll free number, I had to search the manual during leh trip to call the help line, a big thanks, now I know I don't have to go back and see the manual for number!!
-Pramod
You're welcome Pramod. Is your Scorp 4WD? I read your Ladakh travelogue. I'm flirting with the idea of driving my Scorp there next year, however mine is a 2WD and I love it a lot. Would the ladakh trip cause any irreversible damage?

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Oil change - depends on state of engine oil. Since you have done a long trip, maybe you should check and change, if required.

My Scorpio was fantastic in Ladakh, don't even dream of going any other way next year.
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nope, its 2WD , no damage as such from Ladakh trip, I may do it again next year!
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