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Old 22nd November 2009, 09:38   #751
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Today by sheer negligence, I forgot to disengage the hand brake and drove the Scorpio for almost 4 to 5 kms keeping the handbrake engaged. It moved without any hitch and though there a little difference in its picking up speed, I could only remember that the lever is up after I parked. When I got out there was some kind of burning smell from the wheel drums. I saw the temperature needle which at the centre of the C-H layout.So feel not much damage was done.But have to be very careful in future.This had happened since I do not engage the handbrake always, unless its parked on a sloping surface.
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hi anjan, i would ask you to remove the wheels & the hub & just check the drums, just in case. you can even do it at a local garage if you want to.

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In the SLE, the voice guy sounds the alarm if the handbrake is engaged. Seriously though, many a times, I've done the same thing, and the voice guy saved the day.

Issues 1: From where I sit, and my height, I am unable to see the handbrake engaged sign on the dash over the horn button of the steering.

Issue 2: The handbrake, even if disengaged - sometimes does not go down fully. And its annoying.
hi red liner, tried adjusting the tilt of the steering?

agreed on issue 2.

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@Raj, The shape/curvature would not be very pronounced. Pls leave it as it is. These things are also tested & designed, and IMO not worth the effort of changing.

Unless it is causing you a major discomfort, pls let it be.
point noted, i will let it be.
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Old 22nd November 2009, 13:21   #752
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hi red liner, tried adjusting the tilt of the steering?
Not comfortable with any other setting on the steering assy...wish the damn seat had height adjustment...
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Question Mahindra Scorpio : Issues & Solutions

Dear BHPians,

I have a Scorpio SLX 2006 model which has been working absoutly problem free till now. Recently from past 3 months my usage has decreased a lot.
Now when my usage came to normal from past 10 -12 days when i park my car in the nigh & it get cold till morning, it is expereincing delayed starts. in fact sometime it can take 4 - 5 long continous starting rounds to start & when it does start it gives a lot of white smoke from the exhaust.

I fear if we keep the battery over worked like this one day it may give up

What could be the issue please suggest.

Service is due in next 1000 kms.
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Old 23rd November 2009, 16:23   #754
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This should go into the Scoprio problems and solutions thread...but I think your battery is down. Have you battery health checked up by any battery shop or the closest service centre and look at its readings.
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Dear Shankar,

Thanks for the e-mail id.

The Sales rep whom I interacted with asked me to get the ABS replaced. But I am not sure if he really understands what the issue is. I am going to the service center today to get it checked with Satish as per Venkat's advice. I will see what the outcome is and then write to them if needed.

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Sorry, I did not get the time to update on my issue.

The vehicle was inspected by Satish and he agreed that there was an issue. Later in the evening the Vehicle was delivered to my home and I could not check it as I was away.

I did receive a call and they mentioned that some brake bleeding was done and they even checked the ABS and everything was fine. I tested it in the evening after I returned from office and found that the issue was still there.

I was told that it was the feature of ABS where that happens when we brake it hard the second time with less time gap. They even sent me another VLX Demo Scorpio where I noticed similar problem.

I am now confused if it's a real issue or the way I am braking is wrong. Can someone please educate me if I am doing something wrong as I have not used a ABS vehicle in the past.

Here's what I am doing:

When I am driving above 50 or 60km/hr and I have to apply brakes for a speed breaker or anything (sort of emergency braking to avoid jumping over the speed breaker), I hit the brakes, release the brake and apply again (while changing the gear). When I apply the brakes the second time the brake peddle becomes hard and I hear this gad..gad..gad...sound and the vehicle does not slow down (basically I don't feel the brake working at all). I immediately release the brake, apply again and chances are it works.

The time gap between releasing and applying the brakes the second time is very short (less than 2 seconds probably).

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Water entering the tail pipe usually comes out as white smoke. Did it occur after a car wash ? Or maybe it is so cold there to cause condensation in the tail pipe.
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Also are you parking your car on a slope? If so, then try parking on level ground and check if the problem disappears.

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check your coolant , if there is no oil mix in it then you are probably ok and its just the cold weather ( glow plugs)

else, headgasket etc...
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Quick question: Why do you release the brake when you shift gears?

A good way to do it will be: You remove your foot off the accelerator, hit the brakes, and keep them there, use your other leg, depress the clutch and change gears. At every gear you come down, you release the clutch and let the engine brake itself.

If you dont have ABS, pumping the brakes is a good idea because then you dont allow wheels to lock up. Since you have ABS, the intermittent release is functioned by the ABS itself.

Lastly, I will try this out and see what happens. Its quite interesting.
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Quick question: Why do you release the brake when you shift gears?

A good way to do it will be: You remove your foot off the accelerator, hit the brakes, and keep them there, use your other leg, depress the clutch and change gears. At every gear you come down, you release the clutch and let the engine brake itself.

If you dont have ABS, pumping the brakes is a good idea because then you dont allow wheels to lock up. Since you have ABS, the intermittent release is functioned by the ABS itself.

Lastly, I will try this out and see what happens. Its quite interesting.
Well, here's the real life scenario on how I discovered this problem:
I was driving down a narrow road (thankfully not that crowded) at around 30-40km/hr and hit the brakes when I saw a person trying to cross the road and at the same time shifted to a lower gear. He backed off and I released the brake. And suddenly a parked auto on the left of the road swung right (usually that's how they take a U turn) with out checking for incoming vehicles. I immediately had to hit the brakes, but it failed to stop as I hit this issue. Fortunately there was still some gap and I missed him.

All this happened in a fraction of a second with the person trying to cross, I braking, he backing off and the autowala taking the U turn.

And these kind of scenario happens a lot where you brake as the vehicle in the front slows down, he accelerates, you release the brake and he suddenly brakes.

Normal planned braking to slow down - No issues. Emergency braking in above kind of scenarios - Cannot predict.

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I think I have faced this issue, but did not take it up seriously. Let me try it again and report back in.
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hi anjan, i would ask you to remove the wheels & the hub & just check the drums, just in case. you can even do it at a local garage if you want to.
hi red liner, tried adjusting the tilt of the steering?
agreed on issue 2.
point noted, i will let it be.
Raj tahnks for the feedback. The braking efficiency of my Scorpio post that handbrake engaged running has not reduced perceptibly.I have your suggestion on my mind and should the braking efficiency go down, I 'll get that check done.
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@Raj, The shape/curvature would not be very pronounced. Pls leave it as it is. These things are also tested & designed, and IMO not worth the effort of changing.
Unless it is causing you a major discomfort, pls let it be.
@Anjan, That temp gauge reads engine related temp. The heat build-up due to that running-with-hand-brake-on will be in the rear wheels. The two arent related.
What you have done is a common mistake. The only damage will be some wear out of the rear brake drum lining. The final result of this will be that you will have to replace your drums a little earlier than you would have done if this had not happened.
Thanks condor for the information.
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Would reccomend that you take it in for the service now, it is not just a battery issue. Can be attributed to a clogged filter and or a leaky gasket in the turbo.
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Suggest this to be merged with Mahindra Scorpio- Issues & solutions thread.
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