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Old 13th January 2010, 21:00   #1546
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As seen in this forum the turtle wax and Meguirs are not easily available and authenticity is doubtful apart from expensive.
In this case, the authentic wax products from Waxpol make a lot of sense. I am using them and they seem to be excellent for my M-800 and ANHC. Any comments on harm to ANHC paint.
IMHO,A branded local product is better bet than duplicate foreign products.
Megs are not avail duplicate- what do you want btw? Let me see if i can be of some help to folks who are looking for megs...have been trying to help out in my little way..
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Any pointers to the shops that store waxpol products. Cannot locate them till now in Bangalore.

Thanks a ton
Available in many Engine Oil selling shops (Castrol etc.), I located one shop in Tippsandra Main Road,Opposite the BP petrol bunk. This is near to my home.
Waxpol Car shampoo+polish Wax which I have used costs Rs.68 for a 200 ml bottle, i found it pretty good. U can check WELCOME TO WAXPOL for their auto care products range. Most of the products are reasonably priced (lesser chance of counterfeiting), in fact after speaking to shopkeepers I found that Waxpol products are quite well respected/received and never any complaints against them and old mechanics recommend it.
I dont think, such a great technology is mandated for these products, so why have something reliable and proven, it looks like "Ghar ki Murgi Daal Barabar",
Try these products and check urself.
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Old 15th January 2010, 14:34   #1548
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Is there any place / shop in Bangalore from whrere I can source above two products. I used once from my friends stock and it worked fine and now planning to have my own stock.

I've already searched most of JC Road shops and alsdo visited several Maruti and Tata dealers but no one is aware of such product.
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I signed up with Pegasus staffing - Chennai, and the first visit was this morning

The appointment was for 615 am, the guys were at my place by 620 am

The team consisted of 2 guys. One senior chap who was the operator who would handle the vacuum cleaner, power jet and the waxing machine. The other chap was his helper who would wash the mats and dry wipe the car.

The process started with the interior and boot vacuuming followed by dashboard cleaning while the helper started washing the mats.

This was followed by the helper spraying some stuff - not water but a cleaning agent of some sort - into the engine bay and wiping it dry after about 10 minutes. This did clean out the engine bay though not as neat as what a new car would be like - The only area where i would say there is scope for improvement.

The machine operator then connected his bosch aquatak water spray machine and washed down the car and the tyres then changed the nozzle and took care of the underbody as well.

This was followed by a thorough dry down of the car and application of car polish - 3M i think - and the car was polished using an electric car polisher.

The last stage was dressing up the tyres , the rubber beading's and grills.

The whole process took a little over an hour and gave the car a complete showroom finish.

I am extremely happy with the finish and the professionalism with which the entire process was dealt with.

At Rs. 3500 + 10% service tax for my i20 for 12 visits, being one visit every month, the amount paid is certainly worth every penny.

I would certainly recommend this service.
Hi Mubeen,
Thanks for the review of Pegasus.
Looks like a very handy and useful facility.
It works out to Rs. 321(approx.) for each wash.
Do they have any membership scheme or anything or is it a fixed price.
I was thinking of subscribing to the services.
Do you have an option to pay per wash od do you have necessarily enroll for a year?
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Is there any place / shop in Bangalore from whrere I can source above two products. I used once from my friends stock and it worked fine and now planning to have my own stock.

I've already searched most of JC Road shops and alsdo visited several Maruti and Tata dealers but no one is aware of such product.
If those product repell rain water, then i found something simlar to that from turtle wax, and free shipping across india, check this:
Xenos
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Old 16th January 2010, 19:09   #1551
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This is one of the most painful posts for me. Today i had decided to close out on the scratch treatment for my car and called the hyundai center for 3M treatment. They were not taking cars today hence thought even Carz Spa was decent( based on the trial) so let me go there. This has turned out to be the worst decision for my car so far and here is the painful recount of the days events( so that others can learn). I had almost thought- let me wait till the weekday for 3M but for that i would have to go through some more effort and had decided to finish it today so went ahead to Carz Spa which is 10 minutes from my home

1. The guy had asked me to come at 10:30- he happily turned up at 11:00. He was the guy who is probably the head technician there and not the manager
2. He washed the car with water and pressure jet, i told him no need as i am not interested, just want a good proper scratch removal, but took that since it was part of the package
3. They started to clay- and this was a HUGE shock for me- why? well for once they used some old clay, which was not well kneaded and god knows how many times used over. They used just plain water and guess in how many minutes they clayed it over- MAX 5 minutes. I told him -does it not take 30 mins to do a proper job, he just said, it does but urs is done properly. I thought let me go with the judgment of "experts"-
4. Next- the car was wiped with some dirty and shabby microfibers which had been washed god knows when. I asked- don't u guys wash the cloth, he said yes we do, but clearly those were not. In fact the windows were smudged like the way you have when the service center guys do as their cloth is greasy.
5. By this time another car came and the manager of the place from Bimal came in. As soon as that happened the other 2 folks who were claying the other car ( innova) spent about full 25 minutes claying it. NOW i came to know what was done with my car:(- nothing but a time pass work of claying
6. The first thing he ( the main technician) applied was No 66- Quick Detailer by Meguiars. I was asking him- why cause i recall in the trial he put Diamond Cut- No 85 first. He said he is putting that only. I thot i made a mistake in seeing what bottle he used after pouring from the can so was ok
7. Now comes the horrific part- After using the machine on the bonnet, i saw SWIRLS which were ABSENT, appear:( I was aghast..they were minor ones- could easily be missed by the untrained eye but i was specifically looking at my scratches. I also saw NEW SCRATCHES APPEAR
I immediately told him, he said- no probs, next coat will clear it. He also cleaned the pad and started again.
Somehow i was convinced again and thought let me see the boot- which had been tested on by these guys

After that- THE ENTIRE BOOT and later i saw -more parts of the car was covered with NON EXISTING SWIRLS- minor but again only seen when viewed against the light
I showed him, he then applied Diamond Cut and Speed Glaze, but i had given up by then and was praying if the next application would remove them.
On the bonnet- some NEW SCRATCHES Came up- where i asked him to apply diamond cut again.
Apparently now he agreed he had put Quick Detailer- which they had been told in their training in Surat...and THAT HAS MESSED UP ( as per me)
In the trial he had NOT APPLIED THIS- and i am SURE THIS ONE has for some reason ADDED SCRATCHES AND SWIRLS:(
I was in a daze as to what to do- cause i am really not the kind who will shout and fight. I told him- and said- let me out of here with my car and take whatever is justified as i will not pay the entire 2.5K. He said some discount and offered 200 rs less. I then LOST IT and thought let me talk to the manager

I then went to the bimal showroom and talked to the manager who was very apologetic and i was in a strong but clear way telling him- you can charge whatever, you have clearly messed up my car.
He promised to get a solution, do it again for free etc etc
I was so disgusted and unwilling to create a scene and fight- i told him whatever your judgement allows- charge and let me out of here
He charged Rs 1500 and promised to get me a solution by talking to his technical folks
He claimed this is the first time it has happened etc

My Point is this: I know they must have done what was told to them or what they felt is the best application
However noting the way things work there and what people work i conclude
THEY are nothing but a most unprofessional set of people, who have just got some training and have NO IDEA what product they are using and for WHAT REASON

SUGGESTION:
Giving them a chance with your car is like going to a doctor who has READ from BOOKS and never practiced. He may give you the right medicine but may end up killing you
I have been promised that i will be given a solution- but i am SCARED even to go back to have them touch my car again
Although none can see when you see the car that it has swirls
- as they are only on some parts and not the big ones- but on the roof and some other parts i can see clearly NEW BLEMISHES and swirls that were NOT THERE
I think i will go to 3M sometime later and just get them to do what they did and get this cleared up- at least they had cleared up 90% and had NOT INTRODUCED anything new. OR Maybe i will clay at home and use my own polish and Wax to remove as many as i can( which i hope to as they are not major ones)
I wonder if using the QD- No 66 messed it up or what was it
If you are looking at going there for surface treatment- AT YOUR OWN RISK
The rest of the things - interior cleaning, washing etc- ANY PLACE IS AS GOOD...i went there ONLY CAUSE MEGUIARS prods are used

Maybe i should wait for that guy to come back and show me a small area where it really works and then put the entire car back in their hands...but i am scared that so many applications may just remove the paint totally!!!
Overall- please learn from my experience and forget about car detailing centers in india- just trust the service center where you get it serviced and really do not be paranoid about minor blemishes etc..
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Hi Mubeen,
Thanks for the review of Pegasus.
Looks like a very handy and useful facility.
It works out to Rs. 321(approx.) for each wash.
Do they have any membership scheme or anything or is it a fixed price.
I was thinking of subscribing to the services.
Do you have an option to pay per wash od do you have necessarily enroll for a year?
The price is fixed but the rates differ based on the car u need cleaned.

Have not asked them about the per wash option. U could get in touch with them and check on that.
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Old 16th January 2010, 19:47   #1553
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This is one of the most painful posts for me. ......
This is terrible. Old clay bar and dirty microfibre cloth are what you'd expect from a roadside garage and not this sort of place. I was considering trying them out but have changed my mind. Will now go DIY. That way I stick to my policy of never letting any other person carry out any detailing work on my car. Painful? Of course, but worth it.
OT: I was even thinking of doing basic engine maintenance jobs (engine/gearbox oil changes, radiator flushes, plug changes...) myself, but have not yet got down to it. Not that I'm a communist, but profit seems to be the only motive at most workshops and detailing places.
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mkh, thats horrible to say the least!!!

I mean, having a person scratch one's car and paying him for all that is totally unacceptable!!

I had gone to the Hyundai guys for some repair work, when I noticed their cleaning guy come over and began to wipe the dusty car with a greasy yellow cloth(the one sold at traffic lights!!!) I was like, WTH!!!

All I wanna say is, the really careful and affectionate treatment to a car comes from none other than its owner!

I told the car cleaning guy not to clean my car everyday cuz his approach to car cleaning had become more like 'rub the car surface with a dirty cloth just for the money' kind!

Again, DIY jobs by the owner of the car are much-much better!

Good luck and hope they(Carz Spa) come up with a solution and undo the damage they've done at the earliest!
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Old 17th January 2010, 12:28   #1555
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This is one of the most painful posts for me.
Follow up:
Today morning i went and inspected the car- well clearly it has additional scratches but as i mentioned to the normal eye its impossible to make out. If i were to take this car and sell it today- i am SURE that it would be easily visible as a perfectly well maintained one....its only to me as the owner and when i look against the light, i can see minor rub marks...
Another few points which will make you note what AMATEURS are at work there:
1. Can u imagine them putting wax and having it spill over the plastics? I had to put 1 hour today to clear off wax from the beadings etc where wax and residue was rubbed over..
2. The microfiber cloth they use- apparently a high quality one which costs about 700 rs( and it is for sure)- the SAME one is used to wipe dry and to rub off wax...imagine!!!
3. I asked the guy what clay they use and he told me Meguiars- the same for the car shampoo. I think they are lying because Megs clay is WHITE and his was RED, not sure that the professional series is a Red one- if not, it was a lie
Even the car shampoo was in a bottle( old water bottle) so cannot confirm if it was Megs or some local stuff...
For a simple guy who hardly has much info on car detailing...its a perfect place to get looted...but for the trained and well educated- COMPLETELY AVOID IT..its a waste of money and nothing better than a road side garage in terms of expertise...only that they use meguiars...
I hope prospective customers here can read and avoid this junk place...(maybe i should have put this in a new thread)- MODS any suggestion that max fellow BHP folks can read this?
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mkh, horrified to hear your story about car detailing from so called specialists. This proves one point, the car sales,service and allied services are businesses run for the sole purpose of making money under the guise of professionalism.
They are additions to existing chain of businesses,forgetting these are services requiring high degree of knowledge, interest and customer focus.Professional set ups will take many years till then "DIY" is best.
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mkh,

All I wanna say is, the really careful and affectionate treatment to a car comes from none other than its owner!

I told the car cleaning guy not to clean my car everyday cuz his approach to car cleaning had become more like 'rub the car surface with a dirty cloth just for the money' kind!
I agree with you Sohail. I stopped the car washing guy to clean my car daily as I could see that the swirl marks were appearing very fast. Now I wash my car once in a week but do it myself. It gives me a satisfaction as my car is being not touched by someone else.

Also, if someone can tell me if I see the swirl marks very visible because it has a teflon coating. In my opinion it should not have any swirl mark because of teflon coating. teflon coating is still in warranty period so can I take it back to the dealer?
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Hi All,
How to remove Road Grimes (like a black dots) in a car especially in the painted area near to the tyres?
I tried Colin and Vim bar.
By using Vim bar and with more effort,it was washed away.
But any easy way to clear the dirts.
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Aks_karthik, pls. do not use Vim bar especially if it is for vessels. It will damage the paint.

To remove tar and other grime use diesel.
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Aks_karthik, pls. do not use Vim bar especially if it is for vessels. It will damage the paint.

To remove tar and other grime use diesel.
Diesel is the best.
You can even use diesel mixed with water and rub if you are not comfortable using diesel as it is.
Make sure you dont rub diesel on any plastic parts directly(even areas on bumper etc where scratches are deep enough to expose the plastic) that will cause plastic/rubber to melt(?) and cause stains on paint.
For that matter repeated use of any detergents (even so called softer ones) may cause paint to be peeled.(read some where, do not remember)
that is the reason why sometimes, the car wash or bike wash people next door also ask to get a shampoo packet instead of washing with detergent.

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