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Old 6th November 2012, 19:02   #6451
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Wrong, sealant is applied first and followed by carnauba based wax as LSP
Shoots!!! I was under the impression that sealant is followed by wax.

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protect surface for longer and luster is nearly(85%) same as carnauba based wax
If sealant is same as wax, then what makes sealant to outstand than wax?

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Sealant's are more than enough, only if you seek an extra layer, carnauba wax is LSP after sealant
Didn't quite understand

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Collinte 476 will drain you hands after finishing applying & buffing it off. Its very hard wax and takes a lot of elbow grease to work.
That I don't care, I use GPO 12 CE
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@Rachit: I would suggest, spray WD40 liberally on the alloys.
Noooooooo!

For gods sake keep it away from brake pads, hubs, disks etc.

In fact, as that must be almost impossible to guarantee, just keep it away from the wheels altogether.

Lubricating your brakes is really a lousy idea, especially with a Super-Lubricant.

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New Updates :


1. Optimum No Rinse Wash & Wax

Comes with carnauba wax pre-mixed, which means more gloss. Green colored liquid. Small pic below. To be launched in Dec'12 and expected in stock by Eco Car Care in Mar'13.

A superb Car cleaning, polishing & detailing guide-new-onr.jpg

Source: Eco Car Care.

Optimum No Rinse(Blue) will sell along with the new(Green) one.

Hoping to get one when its available in here since I didn't pick any supplies of ONR.

2. Polishing and Waxing With Meguiar's® DA Power System

An alternate to DA, which works with a corded drill machine. Could be a good option with one machine can be used for two purpose. Saves on cost. Should be launched soon.



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If sealant is same as wax, then what makes sealant to outstand than wax?
Sealant is synthetic and more resistant to chemicals which makes it last more whereas carnauba based wax don't. Only thing sealant lose out on is luster which is nearly 85% of carnauba based wax but longer water beading & protection makes up to it.

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Didn't quite understand
Sealant does the job pretty well. But someone needs that extra luster so he wishes to do an extra coat of carnauba based wax over sealant. Good if you want to work your muscles out and want that perfect finish. But even a single coat of sealant is more than enough.

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That I don't care, I use GPO 12 CE
Good for you. How much did it cost & price of pads involved?

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An alternate to DA, which works with a corded drill machine. Could be a good option with one machine can be used for two purpose. Saves on cost. Should be launched soon
Does it help to vary the RPM's?

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Sealant is synthetic and more resistant to chemicals which makes it last more whereas carnauba based wax don't
Ok, so in that case, shouldn't the sealant be applied as last layer over the wax? So that the protection is more from dust pollution, grimes & tar? Ideally making difficult to penetrate to wax & then to the paint?

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Only thing sealant lose...water beading
Quite right; again didn't get that protection part

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But even a single coat of sealant is more than enough
Though I might've been using the wrong way, the sealant's protection isn't that visible :(

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How much did it cost & price of pads involved?
Good enough to run me bankrupt, borrow money to pay EMI & empty the wallet 2 days ago; EXCLUDING the pads
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Does it help to vary the RPM's?
No, since you cannot vary RPM of drill machine. But it makes small circles within a bigger circles, just like a DA polisher.

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Ok, so in that case, shouldn't the sealant be applied as last layer over the wax? So that the protection is more from dust pollution, grimes & tar? Ideally making difficult to penetrate to wax & then to the paint?
Most of the folks don't use wax, just sealant. Since sealant out matches traditional carnauba based wax, two coats of sealant will do a better job than a wax over sealant or vice versa.

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Quite right; again didn't get that protection part
Since sealant offer better resistance to chemicals, so it gives better protection in comparison to carnauba based wax.

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Though I might've been using the wrong way, the sealant's protection isn't that visible :(
Which sealant are you using? I currently employ Blackfire Wet Diamond AFPP, which is way superior to Collinite 915 which I was previously using.

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Good enough to run me bankrupt, borrow money to pay EMI & empty the wallet 2 days ago; EXCLUDING the pads
Still didn't get the price which emptied your wallet.

Hope I have answered all your queries and I'm no way advocating for sealant against carnauba based wax. Just my opinion after using BFWD & 915.
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2. Polishing and Waxing With Meguiar's® DA Power System

An alternate to DA, which works with a corded drill machine. Could be a good option with one machine can be used for two purpose. Saves on cost. Should be launched soon.
This one looks nice and should be easy on the pockets at around $60. Just need a good drill. I was anyway thinking of buying a drill - so if this one comes out in this year, might as well just get the drill and DA powersystem
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Hope I have answered all your queries and I'm no way advocating for sealant against carnauba based wax.
I have using wax on all my vehicles for past 10 years and never used sealants.

Can you please list out some good Sealants other than Blackfire Wet Diamond ?
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Can you please list out some good Sealants other than Blackfire Wet Diamond ?
The two best that are same/superior to BFWD are
1. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0
2. Detailer’s Pro Series Poli-Coat Paint Sealant

Wolfgang gives more gloss, even better than BFWD. The problem is sourcing them in India. Earlier Sanjay at BBImpex imported BFWD, which made it easy to source it but due to higher cost of sealant compared to wax, there were less customer. So he wont be stocking more of it.

But do give paint sealant a try, you did never go back to good old school wax.
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Any opinions on Optimum Opti Coat? Apparently, this one offers permanent paint protection and claims to not require frequent application unlike waxes. Have a look -

http://www.autogeek.net/optimum-opti-coat.html

Anyone who has used this product, please share your views.
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The two best that are same/superior to BFWD are
1. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0
2. Detailer’s Pro Series Poli-Coat Paint Sealant

But do give paint sealant a try, you did never go back to good old school wax.
Agree mate, but the problem is sourcing the sealants in India. Autogeek won't ship for orders below USD100. Haven't gone up to shipping page so don't know what they'll charge.

Amazon will not ship here. So what are our options.

Sanjay mentioned Duragloss any idea about it?
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Please suggest me, weather should I get a paint job done or any scratch removal product can be beneficial.

cheers

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That is a job for paint. the scratch is quite wide and has removed the colour coat (and the clear top coat if there is one). Nothing can "remove" a scratch like that.

It has not gone through to the metal. though, so it is not going to rust while you think about it.

I have a similar on my Polo. I even have the imported factory-colour-matched touch-up pens. Now all I need to get is A Round-To-It!
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Please suggest me, weather should I get a paint job done or any scratch removal product can be beneficial.

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If the scratch catches your fingernail, its too deep to be removed by polishing / compounding!
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Reducing scratches to almost nil.


I wanted to share these pics with you all since I last finished detailing my black Vento on 28 Oct'12.

Due to the kids in my society(which one doesn't have), they had caused a lot of scratches on the RHS. They looked pretty bad. Repainting is not an option since its expensive and kids will again scratch the surface.

Since I got the Meguiars Ultimate Compound(UC) from Sanjay at BBImpex, it been a life saver. It works so easily by hands. Megs SwirlX just doesn't hold a candle to it. I stand corrected that UC can be worked easily by hands.

Washed the car, clayed the surface using Megs claybar and then used UC with Megs applicator pads to get rid of those scratches and finally applied Blackfire Gloss Enhancing Polish followed by Blackfire Wet Diamond paint sealant. I would let the pics do the talking.

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Any opinions on Optimum Opti Coat? Apparently, this one offers permanent paint protection and claims to not require frequent application unlike waxes. Have a look -

http://www.autogeek.net/optimum-opti-coat.html

Anyone who has used this product, please share your views.
Opti coat is a very tough coating which helps prevent the paint surface from damage. Its almost as tough as a clear coat. One needs professional help to do it, not any regular Joe can do it.

Ultimate Detailerz, Banglore recently applied Opti-Coat on a car yesterday only. Awaiting pics.

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Agree mate, but the problem is sourcing the sealants in India. Autogeek won't ship for orders below USD100. Haven't gone up to shipping page so don't know what they'll charge.

Sanjay mentioned Duragloss any idea about it?
One of bhpian recently ordered an purchase from Autogeek. Let me ask him about shipping and get back to you.

Since there is hardly any available paint sealant, that leaves DG as the only choice.

Read it on Autogeek, that you can use DG101 as to prep the surface and later apply DG 105 as the paint sealant over it. If I were to look for a paint sealant DG101 + DG105 would be my choice.

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Please suggest me, weather should I get a paint job done or any scratch removal product can be beneficial.

cheers

I did suggest same as @Sohail99. If you didn't want to get it repainted, you could use a rubbing compound like UC, as I have detailed it above. I'm sure it can easily reduce the scratches by 70-80% or even more. Repainting is too expensive for such regular occurrences.
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I'm sure it can easily reduce the scratches by 70-80% or even more.
The top coat[s] is gone, the undercoat is showing: how can you reduce such damage except my repainting? Scratch "reduction" relies on one or both of two things: rubbing (abrading) away more paint work around the scratch until it is reduced to the scratch level, and/or filling the scratch with some transparent substance so that it is not noticable. You can only do those things when the scratch does not go through the top coat itself.

Such a scratch would be easily dealt with by touch-up products and services available in other countries.

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