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Old 3rd December 2012, 13:48   #6601
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Can kitchen cleaners like Easy Off Bang or Mr. Muscle be used for cleaning tyres and wheels? Spray, leave a few minutes and rinse off.
It's best recommended to stick to products designed to do a particular job. Unless you are sure that the chemical composition of a kitchen cleaner will not harm the rubber on your tires, go ahead. But best avoided.
I have tried various products & the best I have used till now is Armor All's tire & wheel cleaner, very effective. A bottle will last you atleast 2 months if not more.
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The dashboard on my Verna (non fluidic) has become sticky. The Hyundai A.S.S guy says that it is a problem with all Verna due to heat, but me thinks this is due to some polish used by them. Is there any way to remove them other than re-painiting the dash as suggested by the Hyundai Service guy?
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Hi,

The dashboard on my Verna (non fluidic) has become sticky. The Hyundai A.S.S guy says that it is a problem with all Verna due to heat, but me thinks this is due to some polish used by them. Is there any way to remove them other than re-painiting the dash as suggested by the Hyundai Service guy?
You can use a mix of IPA (Iso Proply Alchohol) and water in 1:2 ratio and clean up the dash. This should remove any traces of polish used.

Make sure you test once on an inconspicuous spot first before cleaning the entire dash.
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The dashboard on my Verna (non fluidic) has become sticky. The Hyundai A.S.S guy says that it is a problem with all Verna due to heat, but me thinks this is due to some polish used by them. Is there any way to remove them other than re-painiting the dash as suggested by the Hyundai Service guy?
This was the case with my Getz. This comment was made by a 3rd party car detailer who had no material interest in it. He said he has seen many Getz having this problem. Since I was buying something else from him, he cleaned it up free of cost. I did not ask him how he cleaned it. I should have... Problem never surfaced again.
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The dashboard on my Verna (non fluidic) has become sticky. The Hyundai A.S.S guy says that it is a problem with all Verna due to heat, but me thinks this is due to some polish used by them. Is there any way to remove them other than re-painiting the dash as suggested by the Hyundai Service guy?


This sounds to me like a typically problem experienced with cheap plastics. Is your car under warranty? Make this an issue with the dealer and manufacturer and dealer, and demand a replacement of the affected parts? If this is a plastics problem, the manufacturer should take responsibility, if it is a dealer's polish problem then they should take responsibility. Painting? How can they paint over tacky plastic? And if they have some way to get rid of the sticky/tacky problem, then the paint wouldn't be needed. If the dealer caused it, don't let them get away with a cheap'n'bad "solution"

<<Crosposted with Sammyboy and SunnyBoi>> OK, if there is a way to fix this, that's good. Just... treat dealer with suspicion!

But, hopefully, my intitial reaction is an overreaction.

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Thanks Sunnyboi, will try cleaning with Isopopyl alcohol. I assume Rubbing alcohol is the common name for getting this at a chemicals shop.

Thad! My car is out of warranty. It is more than 5 years old, so I do not think I can ask Hyundai to replace it. Based on Samyboy's response looks like this is an issue across all its older model ranges. I had asked the Service person and he too said a lot of old Hyundai cars have this problem. Just hope that it is not there in current selling models.
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As posted recently, I am very happy with mine after ten months. I intend to stick with the 3m protection system and will return to them as my second year with the car begins.

Why not stick with 3m?
The 3M Paint Protection is good. However, I am not planning to repeat the procedure for the following reasons:
  • It is not a DIY procedure and I want an increasing number of procedures to become DIY as the car & I go through life. Just a personal interest that I want to eventually be able to wax, use paint sealant, change engine Oil, change air filter etc rather than get them done. Every procedure done outside feels like having a chauffeur. while it may not be the wrong thing to do, to me it feels that way.
  • The 3M procedure is expensive at about 3.5K for a new hatchback and more as it ages. I can buy a lot of DIY products for a fraction of that cost.
  • Last but not the least, I don't agree to how 3M markets the "Paint Protection Program". It is a simple process of car wash, Polish and synthetic wax applied by them. They do not even use a paint sealant, which i would expect them to use at that price point.
So yeah, I need to do this at home with my hands
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I can understand your DIY wish. I can understand it especially if what you say about the paint protection is true. If they really only do a waxing, I do find it hard to understand that the result is so good! Certainly I'll research available information on this before going again.
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Ensure you apply a thin coat and allow it to cure. If you require a glazed finish top it up with any carnauba wax.
Thanks Arup. How long does it need to Cure for? Also, can it be applied by hand with a MF Towel or do I need applicator pads? Also, do I need to clay the car as this will seal all impurities (I am guessing). I was under the impression that DG 105 is a synthetic wax so it will last longer than a Carnuba like Collinite. Turns out, it is a sealant.
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The 3M procedure is expensive at about 3.5K for a new hatchback and more as it ages. I can buy a lot of DIY products for a fraction of that cost.
I certainly applaud your enthusiasm and it is a good hobby to cultivate but please note that the products you may wish to use are certainly not going to be cheap! On the other hand you might end up spending much much more! For example, I've spent no less than 1000 rupees on microfibers only! A good sealant like Blackfire costs about 1700. If you want to try the entire process (wash + prepare + sealant + polish/wax), the products you'll need to use only will cost about 5000! But benefit is, for that amount you can use them a few times. And another benefit is, you can build your muscles

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Last but not the least, I don't agree to how 3M markets the "Paint Protection Program". It is a simple process of car wash, Polish and synthetic wax applied by them. They do not even use a paint sealant, which i would expect them to use at that price point.
Are you sure of that? I think they used a sealant when I had got it done on my new car. But if they didnt I was cheated
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[quote=joslicx;2979888And another benefit is, you can build your muscles
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True, nowadays, a large majority of people underestimate the benefits of manual labor. Given the lifestyles we lead, easy access to junk food, more stress, not eating on time, food adulteration, people sitting at their laptops for hours together, it just makes sense to exercise your body.
You will be surprised what a difference it makes to your energy levels. I don't look at cleaning my car as a boring activity, for one it takes my mind off things. I am most peaceful when am cleaning my vehicles.
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Thanks Arup. How long does it need to Cure for? Also, can it be applied by hand with a MF Towel or do I need applicator pads? Also, do I need to clay the car as this will seal all impurities (I am guessing).
Most paint sealants require 6-10 hours of curing time. Best is to leave it overnight. Sealants are artificially manufactured in a combination of natural wax and synthetic polymers. Thus they last long and are easy to apply with hand. Just use a MF cloth or applicator pad to apply, allow it to haze and buff it with another MF cloth. Since sealants are used directly on paints, its best to clay and get a squeaky clean surface to work with.
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Most paint sealants require 6-10 hours of curing time. Best is to leave it overnight. Sealants are artificially manufactured in a combination of natural wax and synthetic polymers. Thus they last long and are easy to apply with hand. Just use a MF cloth or applicator pad to apply, allow it to haze and buff it with another MF cloth. Since sealants are used directly on paints, its best to clay and get a squeaky clean surface to work with.
Thanks Arup. I can't wait that long as the car will gather dust. I have covered parking but it is on the ground floor of the apartment. Why are my options? Collinite?
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[*]Last but not the least, I don't agree to how 3M markets the "Paint Protection Program". It is a simple process of car wash, Polish and synthetic wax applied by them. They do not even use a paint sealant, which i would expect them to use at that price point.So yeah, I need to do this at home with my hands
Off late, I've been thinking the same thing, but slightly different reasons. I do think they apply a sealant at the end. The durability of that sealant treatment is definitely not 9-12 months as they claim. Maybe 3-4 months. They suggest that it would last for 12 months if one waxes their car once every month. And they recommend the tech wax nxt 2.0, which is a sealant, if it has to be defined in one word. It Is more like an 'all-in-one' product - mixture of cleaning, polishing, sealant (predominant) and wax properties. So when it's used every month, one is gently removing the more durable sealant treatment done at the store, and replacing it with nxt 2.0 which has a life of ~4 weeks in indian conditions. This would be part of the reason. Folks, please correct me if I'm wrong here, as I do not want to send out a wrong message to others readers. Let's just call this a hypothesis..

The other part is this forum for introducing me to ONR and, el lobo in particular, who's introduced me to the blackfire line. Thanks a lot for that, el lobo. I really appreciate your efforts and passion. I'm assuming there might've been others who quoted this product, due credit to all of you. I read threads backwards to maintain the reverse chronology, and el lobo's posts come up in the front.

90% of the nxt 2.0 cake is lying idle with me. I use it on the windshield during the rainy season and it beads water really well. I never had any hazing problems, as I initially feared. I use my car on the highways a lot and I've covered 32k kms in 9 months. Under these conditions - Moderate rains + daylight + highway speeds, there's no need to use the wipers with nxt 2.0 on the windshield
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Thanks Arup. I can't wait that long as the car will gather dust. I have covered parking but it is on the ground floor of the apartment. Why are my options? Collinite?
Don't worry about the dust. The next morning simply wipe the dust off with Jopasu and proceed with the wax coat. If the dust layer is heavy or grimy spray ONR and wipe clean and then wax.

Mind you sealant themselves lend a glossier and wet look so you actually needn't even wax the next day if you are happy with it.
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