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Old 23rd May 2015, 13:53   #9286
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Off late I've come to realize that buying a red colour Punto is one thing and maintaining it in good finish without a covered parking is a test of my skills.
All these days I used to cover it at home even if it's for only 15min. I didn't want that bird using my car to test it's shooting skills. Yeh, it might cause swirls but I was fine with the hope that I'll take it to 3M and they'll polish away them.
But then I got into reading about detaling and the bug bit me. I forgot to cover the car and for 7 days it lay there at the mercy of unseasonal rains, summer heat and birds which just eat and drop. All these days I was reading and then yesterday went to 3M and bought Meguairs car wash, water magnet, washmitt and 3M wax.

As I'm a novice I didn't expect splendid results. I live in the 6th floor and the tap in our block only works in the morning. So I took two buckets of water in the lift and washed the car using the 2-bucket method. As expected the bird droppings left some spots on the bonnet.

I've read that using clay will remove the sealant as well. Is it true? Also there are quite a number of swirls and some rub marks. Is there any way I can remove them? I've taken some snaps but they're not clearly showing them clearly. Also please advise on some general tips for parking in the open. I'm currently using the Recaro car cover.
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Old 23rd May 2015, 19:56   #9287
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Off late I've come to realize that buying a red colour Punto is one thing and maintaining it in good finish without a covered parking is a test of my skills.
All these days I used to cover it at home even if it's for only 15min. I didn't want that bird using my car to test it's shooting skills. Yeh, it might cause swirls but I was fine with the hope that I'll take it to 3M and they'll polish away them.
But then I got into reading about detaling and the bug bit me. I forgot to cover the car and for 7 days it lay there at the mercy of unseasonal rains, summer heat and birds which just eat and drop. All these days I was reading and then yesterday went to 3M and bought Meguairs car wash, water magnet, washmitt and 3M wax.

As I'm a novice I didn't expect splendid results. I live in the 6th floor and the tap in our block only works in the morning. So I took two buckets of water in the lift and washed the car using the 2-bucket method. As expected the bird droppings left some spots on the bonnet.

I've read that using clay will remove the sealant as well. Is it true? Also there are quite a number of swirls and some rub marks. Is there any way I can remove them? I've taken some snaps but they're not clearly showing them clearly. Also please advise on some general tips for parking in the open. I'm currently using the Recaro car cover.
Claying does remove wax and also all particles embedded on the surface of paint. Swirls can truly be removed only by polishing. I would suggest buying a clay bar, some microfiber towels, a small bottle of compound or polish depending on the swirls and bird drop etchings and a foam hand polish pad which you can use to remove swirls. A bit of elbow grease might be necessary, another option is to give the car to 3M or some other place where they'll polish out the swirls for you and then you can use a proper wash and wax method to keep the paint shiny. Applying wax on top of the bird drop etchings won't help remove them. Parking a car in the sun is not generally advised. Use your car cover to protect the car from natural elements but be informed that if you put the cover on the car when the car is dirty, it'll tend to scratch the car while the cover is being put on and removed. Hence wiping the car with a quick detailer and a microfiber cloth is advised every time you put on the cover.
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Old 26th May 2015, 16:47   #9288
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I too have same concerns as you. But here is what I did to my motorcycle to get it cleared of paint blemishes.

1. Wash / wet the car with thick shampoo.
2. Use soft sponge or old cotton cloth to remove all surface dirt.
3. Rinse the car.
4. When the water drops have run off and the surface is still moist, use rubbing compound on the surfaces where bird droppings are stuck. Rub gently. It will take time, but will do the job.
5. Coat the surface with any simple wax just to give that one protection coat.
6. Coat the surface with a paint sealant
7. Coat the surface with final thick wax.

Many people will say why thick wax after sealant, and that it is of no use. All car restoration experts are suggesting it since paints on cars have become thinner than ever. If you remember seeing Ambassador / Fiat Padmini, there used to be a thick 5 coat layer and those cars were full metal. Think of their durability. Nowadays, paints get rubbed off easily by just bird droppings. So, add that extra coat of thick wax (preferably a costly one). This should do the trick to bring that lost gloss on your car.

But, if you are hard pressed for time, then one of the vendors in auto market should do it for a "nominal" price. Why pay when you can do it over a weekend ?
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The easiest way to get rid of bird droppings:
1. Spray water with a regular sprayer on the portion with the dropping or tree sap
2. Take a piece of tissue (which you have in your car's glove box.)
3. Put that tissue piece on the dropping. It will start sticking to the surface of the car, since that part is wet.
4. Spay a little more water to drench the tissue, but not so much as to disintegrate the paper.
5. Wait for 3-5 minutes <-- this is the most important part of the routine.
6. Just pick the tissue along with the dirt. 99% of it will just come off. You can use gloves if you don't like to handle that dirt.
7. Spray a little more water and wipe gently with a wet microfiber cloth if there is still some dirt remaining.

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But... do not rub your car with tissue paper: it will scratch.
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He was talking about the etchings left behind by the bird droppings on the clearcoat guys, not about the bird droppings themselves. Polishing is the only way to remove the etchings if they get embedded into the clearcoat. Etchings happen due to the Uric acid in the bird droppings. The method you guys suggested can be used only to remove the bird droppings themselves and not the etchings which can start happening in a couple of minutes after the bird poo hits the paint surface. Bird droppings should be removed as soon as possible to minimize the chances of etching.
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He was talking about the etchings left behind by the bird droppings on the clearcoat guys, not about the bird droppings themselves.
OK. I perhaps missed that part. Thanks.
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I cannot avoid bird poo etchings on my car because by the time the car which is parked under a tree all day comes home it is too late. I have several on the hood as well as the boot.
I have tried all sorts of polishes and compounds but they have not dissapeared completely. Has any one been successful at removing these etchings.
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I cannot avoid bird poo etchings on my car because by the time the car which is parked under a tree all day comes home it is too late. I have several on the hood as well as the boot.
I have tried all sorts of polishes and compounds but they have not dissapeared completely. Has any one been successful at removing these etchings.
Please refer to my post #9288 above. A car cover is your best option. If it cannot be removed by polishes or compounds then wetsanding your clearcoat is the only option but if done as a DIY the chances of burning through the clearcoat are high if careless. There are various youtube videos about wet sanding a clearcoat and you can either do them by yourself if you are feeling brave else you can contact one of the car detailers in your area to do it for you. Do remember wet sanding a clearcoat needs to be followed by compounding and polishing to bring back the initial gloss. Regularly maintaining your car by keeping it topped with a wax or sealant will also help reduce the effect bird droppings have on the clearcoat. Good luck.
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I cannot avoid bird poo etchings on my car because by the time the car which is parked under a tree all day comes home it is too late. I have several on the hood as well as the boot.
I have tried all sorts of polishes and compounds but they have not dissapeared completely. Has any one been successful at removing these etchings.
Carpro Fixer + White Pad + DA did the trick for me.

Check out this post:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ml#post3416694 (A superb Car cleaning, polishing & detailing guide)
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Carpro Fixer + White Pad + DA did the trick for me.
Thanks, I will try this too.
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Picked up a bottle of Auto Finesse Tough Coat Paint Sealant from detailed clean. They are running a sale on the same.

Do I need to apply it on top of a layer of wax or the other way around? The was I have is Collinite 845. I don't even know whether they both can go together. The main requirement is not the glaze but max protection against sun and rain.
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Picked up a bottle of Auto Finesse Tough Coat Paint Sealant from detailed clean. They are running a sale on the same.

Do I need to apply it on top of a layer of wax or the other way around? The was I have is Collinite 845. I don't even know whether they both can go together. The main requirement is not the glaze but max protection against sun and rain.
Wax is applied on top of the sealant and not the other way around. The combo will increase the protection and gloss compared to just the sealant or the wax applied alone.

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Wax is applied on top of the sealant and not the other way around. The combo will increase the protection and gloss compared to just the sealant or the wax applied alone.

If you have recently applied wax, please ensure it is cleared before applying a sealant. Double claying will help to rid of wax, then sealant and then wax.

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Picked up a bottle of Auto Finesse Tough Coat Paint Sealant from detailed clean. They are running a sale on the same.

Do I need to apply it on top of a layer of wax or the other way around? The was I have is Collinite 845. I don't even know whether they both can go together. The main requirement is not the glaze but max protection against sun and rain.
Wash with a concentrated car wash soap twice (use double the mentioned dilution ratio on the car wash shampoo bottle).This will weaken/remove most of the collinite that you would have applied it long time back.Follow it with clay to remove the remnants . Apply the tought coat, 2 layers with adequate curing time in between. Follow it up with Colli 845.

Always apply wax over sealant and not the other way around
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