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Old 22nd August 2016, 09:43   #9916
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Guys, a question !

If I buy both Optimum Opti-Seal and Optimum Car Wax, which needs to be applied first ?

Or maybe applying both is an overkill, and one would do ?

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Hi Ptaneja, I'll apply Opti-seal as my base because it is a Sealant. I think this product on its own should be good and give you desired result with longevity. I believe Optimum wax can be used for maintenance between two rounds of Opti-seal. Or may be once you go for this combination do try Opti-wax over the sealant and let us know the results

I have not used Opti-seal but used another one from Ultima known as Ultima Paint Guard Plus or UPGP. The product is pretty cool. I used it some time back on hood and fenders. The results were good and it stayed there for atleast 45-50 days. In between I only used Optimum No Rinse - Wash and Wax (ONR). But UPGP is quite costly. It is almost double of Opti-seal for similar quantity.

Sonax product is also good. Though I've never used this product but have seen a video showing comparison between Sonax and other products and there was no difference in shine and water beading. Not sure about longevity.

I would also like to share my experience with all of you from this Sunday when I detailed my red Scorpio. It was way too much work and my whole body is aching as of today . But the best thing is when my wife came back from market and said 'How come the car is shining so much today' really helped me to forget all pain. The process is explained below:

Interior detailing:

1. Used Bergmann Hurricane car vacuum cleaner
2. Collin for internal plastics
3. All purpose Microfibers (260 GSM type)

Exterior detailing:

My idea was not to remove any swirl marks. I still get happy when I see the real molten red of my car. Every thing was done with hands and no machines involved.

1. Rinsing with plain water
2. Used Meguiars NXT shampoo
3. Again rinsed with water and post this sprayed ONR through out
4. Used Meguiars water magnet for drying (is an amazing product)
5. Used Optimum opti clay towel for claying and ONR as clay lube
6. Used Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealnet
7. UPGP applicator pad for step 6. I like this one because it is a big rectangular block that is easy to hold and use.
8. Microfiber 530 GSM for buffing + Meguiars supreme shine for claying
9. Aerospace 303 for plastics and trims
10. 3M glass cleaner

I'll leave pictures for all of you to decide about the end results. But I committed many mistakes in the last step. Like for example I buffed Wolfgang a little early and did not wait for 30-35 minutes as recommended by manufacturer. On some portions where I delayed buffing, the results were better.

My big mistake of the day was to go for complete cleaning [interior + exterior ] in a single day. It was way too much work and still there were many things that were left. Also, the fatigue impacts your last crucial steps like what I reported above.

Another big mistake was to rely on vacuum cleaner for internal cleaning. Though I read mixed reviews about these products on different sites but still went for this purchase during big Amazon sale some days back. The product has 'ok' type suction power and heats up very quickly. Just in 30 minutes it became so hot and fuse went off. I think brushes will be more effective in the long run.

I still lack some tools for proper cleaning.
  1. For example I need a good brush for tyres and sidewalls.
  2. I need a brush for interior areas like AC vents etc
  3. I need a brush to clean front honey comb plastic grills.
  4. A much needed All purpose cleaner (APC) already suggested by blackasta
  5. A tar remover for alloys or may be APC helps here.
  6. Any tool with soft microfiber on one end and a long rod for cleaning the top of the Scorpio. Currently it is a pain in the neck to clean it.
And finally one last word for Wolfgang sealant. This looks like an amazing product as it provided an amazing shine with very little effort and even when I did not follow the right process. I am not sure what magic it can bring with a machine polisher and following manufacturer's recommendations. The only drawback with this one is its price. Currently in Indian market it is sold for close to INR 4000. But I got mine from US gifted by a friend. I'll think twice or thrice before spending this much on buying a single product.

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Old 22nd August 2016, 09:51   #9917
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Wanted to check if this can be cleared with detailing/scratch remover or should i need to go to full painting route? Suggestions would be helpful. Thanks!
You'll need to take it to a body shop for scraping, a layer of undercoat/putty paint and clearcoat. They may ask you to paint the entire panel.

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And finally one last word for Wolfgang sealant. This looks like an amazing product as it provided an amazing shine with very little effort and even when I did not follow the right process.
The car looks really good. Great job!

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Old 22nd August 2016, 13:28   #9918
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Currently in Indian market it is sold for close to INR 4000. But I got mine from US gifted by a friend. I'll think twice or thrice before spending this much on buying a single product.
Great Job.

Two quick questions.

1. Do you attribute the gloss due to wolfgang? How does this compare to Megs Tech Wax 2.0

2. How old is the vehicle

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Old 22nd August 2016, 20:57   #9919
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The car looks really good. Great job!
Thanks a lot R2D2. Really appreciate your feedback.

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Great Job.

Two quick questions.

1. Do you attribute the gloss due to wolfgang? How does this compare to Megs Tech Wax 2.0

2. How old is the vehicle

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Thanks a lot Nova9. There were only two new additions in the whole process. Wolfgang and 303 and rest everything remained same. I received too many positive comments from friends this time. Even the biggest critic [home minister] had words of appreciation. Also, I shared few pictures with in a WhatsApp group of school friends and they thought I've bough a new car again. . Congratulations were pouring in for quite some time. People later commented that the car was shining so much that they got confused. Therefore I am attributing it to Wolfgang.

I do have a tub of Tech Wax 2.0 with me but I have not used it so far and therefore can not comment. May be in future I'll use it and then share my results.

The car is going to complete one year in coming October.
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Exterior detailing:

My idea was not to remove any swirl marks. I still get happy when I see the real molten red of my car. Every thing was done with hands and no machines involved.

1. Rinsing with plain water
2. Used Meguiars NXT shampoo
3. Again rinsed with water and post this sprayed ONR through out
4. Used Meguiars water magnet for drying (is an amazing product)
5. Used Optimum opti clay towel for claying and ONR as clay lube
6. Used Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealnet
7. UPGP applicator pad for step 6. I like this one because it is a big rectangular block that is easy to hold and use.
8. Microfiber 530 GSM for buffing + Meguiars supreme shine for claying
9. Aerospace 303 for plastics and trims
10. 3M glass cleaner

I'll leave pictures for all of you to decide about the end results.
your scorpio looks great.
few questions from my side:
1. why did you use ONR after washing with meguair shampoo?
2. whether your vehicle was protected with any wax or sealants before this procedure?
3. If yes, how you have removed previous layer of wax before applying wolfgang?

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I'll leave pictures for all of you to decide about the end results.
Looks awesome.
Also - it must have taken some serious elbow grease to get a scorpio done by hand. Maybe time to think about investing in a DA machine ?
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your scorpio looks great.
few questions from my side:
1. why did you use ONR after washing with meguair shampoo?
2. whether your vehicle was protected with any wax or sealants before this procedure?
3. If yes, how you have removed previous layer of wax before applying wolfgang?
Thanks a lot drrikhav. Responses to your questions are:

1. I do not remember the source but it came from a credible person either from one of our Guru here in this community or from Mike Phillips of Autogeek. Before drying if you put some ONR or any liquid wax then it makes the surface slick and reduces the chances damaging the surface further during drying. Plus if you do not want to go for full detailing, this step as well can bring decent shine to the car. ONR was used with a dilution ratio of 1:16 in my case.

2 & 3. Effect of previous sealant (Ultima Paint Guard Plus) was already over when I went for this detailing. My car was super dirty because of a long road trip and really effective monsoon this season in Delhi.


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Looks awesome.
Also - it must have taken some serious elbow grease to get a scorpio done by hand. Maybe time to think about investing in a DA machine ?
Thanks a lot blackasta. You've been one of my inspiration apart from other Gurus like sohail99, nirmaljustdoit, mkh, Garipagol & SunnyBoi.

I found Wolfgang to be extremely easy which requires some basic discipline. I used a blue microfiber rectangular applicator that came with another product and it was super easy. I primed it initially and then just 2-3 drops this big () on the applicator . Wait for some time and then buff. Though using a DA can bring an amazing glow on the car plus ease of use.

To do an internal and external detailing in a day was an overkill. Plus roof of the Scorpio was real difficult. I am not sure how others do it.
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Guys, looking for clay bar - within budget I mean. Any recommendations ? Or if someone bought/shipped from abroad, can split the cost ?
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Guys, looking for clay bar - within budget I mean. Any recommendations ? Or if someone bought/shipped from abroad, can split the cost ?
http://www.detailedclean.in/detailin...-fine-clay-327

Have personal experience with this one. I went in for the fine grade as i found it to be the best balance between an aggressive & a mild clay which can be used for regular claying without marring the paint. Earlier I was using a clay of some brand called 'Insta Finish' but it was pretty insignificant & I was actually surprised at the amount of dirt/contaminants that this one lifted.

I have nothing to do with the website or the seller mentioned above
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Old 27th August 2016, 16:18   #9925
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Have personal experience with this one.

Thanks man, would be ordering this soon.

I am thinking of ordering these as well -

Meguiar's G19216 Ultimate Polish
Meguiar's G12711AM NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 Paste
(OR Meguiar's Ultimate Quik Wax Liquid Spray Bottle )
3M IA260166359 Auto Specialty Dashboard Dresser
Armor All Microfiber Cleaning Cloth (Set of 3)
3M IA260166375 Auto Specialty Tyre Dresser (250 ml)


How about the following sequence >
1. Washing with 3M Shampoo
2. Claying with the one you mentioned
3. Polishing with Meguiar's Ultimate Polish
4. Finally Tech Wax.

Couple of question -
> > can I skip Polish, and directly go ahead with Waxing after claying?

> > which is better, tech wax paste or Meguiars Liquid Wax ?

Just FYI, car is about 10months old, I can still feel presence of Waxoyl 100 plus sealant I got applied on it after purchase.
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Thanks man, would be ordering this soon.
Meguiar's G19216 Ultimate Polish
Meguiar's G12711AM NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 Paste
(OR Meguiar's Ultimate Quik Wax Liquid Spray Bottle )
3M IA260166359 Auto Specialty Dashboard Dresser
Armor All Microfiber Cleaning Cloth (Set of 3)
3M IA260166375 Auto Specialty Tyre Dresser (250 ml)


How about the following sequence >
1. Washing with 3M Shampoo
2. Claying with the one you mentioned
3. Polishing with Meguiar's Ultimate Polish
4. Finally Tech Wax.

Couple of question -
> > can I skip Polish, and directly go ahead with Waxing after claying?

> > which is better, tech wax paste or Meguiars Liquid Wax ?
Ideally you should Wash>Clay>Polish/Compound>Wax/Seal. Step 1 & 2 are a must but polishing by hand isnt rewarding at all, you'll be putting in a lot of elbow grease but the results would be far off when compared to machine polishing. If you've not invested in a rotary or DA polisher than I suggest you skip the polishing part & as such too Megs G19216 is a glaze so it wont be correcting the paint. Meguiar's Tech Wax is a great product from what I have read but you cant compare it with their spray wax. The spray wax is basically developed as a quick easy to use wax, Its durability or shine cant be compared to the tech wax. Most important part would be claying as the paint surface should be butter smooth for the wax/sealant to bond beautifully.

All the best for your session. Do post some pics
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I am thinking of ordering these as well -


Just FYI, car is about 10months old, I can still feel presence of Waxoyl 100 plus sealant I got applied on it after purchase.

You won't need to clay your 10 month old car unless its spent the past 10 months parked outdoors without a car cover. Visually inspect the paint and also use your finger tips to check for embedded pollutants

Considering buying the Meguiar's Ultimate paste wax. It is superior to Tech Wax. Also get a clay bar lubricant. DO NOT clay without using sufficient lubricant. ONR or other waterless washes will serve you well.
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Also get a clay bar lubricant. DO NOT clay without using sufficient lubricant. ONR or other waterless washes will serve you well.
The clay I suggested him works great with plain water & dosent need a separate clay lube.
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Water beading effect on my Honda BR-V thanks to C-Quartz ceramic coating -

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Details of C-Quartz coating application in this post (Honda BR-V : Official Review)

In the Honda City, there is no ceramic coating - so water sticks to the body.

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I had followed the below procedure on our Elite i20 Stardust (Grey) in Feb or Mar 2016-
1. Wash the car using Meguiars Nxt Generation Car Wash shampoo.
2. Claying the surface with Gyeon Q2M Clay and Ultima Waterless Wash Plus as Lube.
3. Applying 2 Coats of Ultima Paint Guard Plus Sealant with a curing time of 24 hours.

After that nothing was done till date except that the Driver cleans the car everyday.

The car covered more than 22K kms after the above 'pampering' till date (current odo reading- 51K kms)

Do I need to do the claying again now? Or can I skip the claying and just apply Ultima Paint Guard Plus -2 coats (I know the Sealant will not bond properly If used without claying)? Or can I skip Claying and Sealant and just apply Wax? If only Wax, which one to go for?
If I can skip Clay and Sealant, I am ready to Wax the car every month. Also suggest a VFM but low cost and good result giving Wax for a Start.

On a side note, do I need to Wax the car after applying Ultima Paint Guard Plus Sealant?

EDIT
What is the average life of-
1. Ultima Paint Guard Plus?
2. Gyeon Q2M Clay (or any Clay) and Ultima Elastrofoam Clay Block?

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