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Old 30th August 2016, 12:35   #9931
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Do I need to do the claying again now? Or can I skip the claying and just apply Ultima Paint Guard Plus -2 coats (I know the Sealant will not bond properly If used without claying)? Or can I skip Claying and Sealant and just apply Wax? If only Wax, which one to go for?
If I can skip Clay and Sealant, I am ready to Wax the car every month. Also suggest a VFM but low cost and good result giving Wax for a Start.

On a side note, do I need to Wax the car after applying Ultima Paint Guard Plus Sealant?

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What is the average life of-
1. Ultima Paint Guard Plus?
2. Gyeon Q2M Clay (or any Clay) and Ultima Elastrofoam Clay Block?

Hi IndigoXLGrandDi, only you can judge whether your car needs claying or not. Just try to feel the surface and you can find out any imperfections that may require claying. If you check youtube, you can find videos on baggy testing where in they use a small plastic bag to find out issues. And you've correctly mentioned if there is contamination then bonding won't happen properly. You may like to explore and confirm that front/bonnet may require claying but other areas won't require it. This is because these areas are in more contact with impurities.

Regarding Sealant vs Wax, my understanding is that in old days people used waxes for bringing shines on their cars. But waxes do not have long life and getting pure carnauba wax was a costly affair. Therefore chemists came up with sealants that gave shine and protection to the paint for longer time periods. Waxes life get really shortened in places like our country with much more stronger/extreme environmental conditions.

There is one more difference between sealants and waxes and that is related to shine they bring in. Sealant's shine is much more stronger and therefore some people do not like it. Waxes bring in much warmer shine and many people like it.

Therefore it'll be your personal choice whether you want to put an additional layer of wax over sealant.

Ultima Paint Guard Plus claims to have a very long life. People on various forums claim that they've received amazing results. I think you can expect minimum 3-4 months protection with it provided your usage, prep of the car at the time of application.

Elastoform and similar products have much longer life in comparison to traditional clay. If you consider average use of 4 times a year then for next 4-5 years you won't have to buy clay or this product. Assumption is 20 usage of this product.
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Guys,

I was going through Meg's products, and was about to finalize NXT Gen Tech wax, but then came across the following --

Meguiar's Ultimate Quik Wax Liquid Spray Bottle (430 gm)
Meguiars A2216 Deep Crystal Carnauba Wax
Meguiar's A1616 Quik Wax (473 ml)

(All three from amazon)
So I am all confused again !
Car's color is Metallic Grey - its about a year old, and was done with Waxoyl 100 Plus Paint Sealent when purchased.

What are the differences among the above three products and Nxt Gen Tech Wax ? Which one to go for?
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Guys,

I was going through Meg's products, and was about to finalize NXT Gen Tech wax, but then came across the following --

Meguiar's Ultimate Quik Wax Liquid Spray Bottle (430 gm)
Meguiars A2216 Deep Crystal Carnauba Wax
Meguiar's A1616 Quik Wax (473 ml)

(All three from amazon)
So I am all confused again !
Car's color is Metallic Grey - its about a year old, and was done with Waxoyl 100 Plus Paint Sealent when purchased.

What are the differences among the above three products and Nxt Gen Tech Wax ? Which one to go for?
I've used Meguiars Nxt Gen car wash and its pretty good but havent used the wax. Their Gold Class Carnauba Plus wax is awesome.
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Old 2nd November 2016, 21:16   #9934
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If I can skip Clay and Sealant, I am ready to Wax the car every month. Also suggest a VFM but low cost and good result giving Wax for a Start.
I like Optimum Car Wax and will recommend it. The small bottle itself lasts long, with only 1/2 sprays needed per panel. This costs approx Rs450.

I have recently bought Proklear wax too. (Rs300) It is vfm. Results are good enough. Cant comment on the longevity yet. But not bad at all for someone who is willing to apply it every month. The bottle is a huge 500ml.
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Hi guys.. read the entire thread over last couple of months, but couldn't find a specific answer.

I want to have a mirror like gloss on my Silver car.. someone suggested Optimum Car Wax.. It was good but the results were not upto the mark. Tried thrice.

Can someone help?
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Hi guys.. read the entire thread over last couple of months, but couldn't find a specific answer.

I want to have a mirror like gloss on my Silver car.. someone suggested Optimum Car Wax.. It was good but the results were not upto the mark. Tried thrice.

Can someone help?
You won't get mirror like gloss just by applying wax. Any wax can only give gloss to certain level and it mainly depends on how clean the surface is. If there are lots of swirls and contaminants, wax alone will not hide it.

You should remove all the contaminants from the surface and abrade it with compounds/polishes to be able to make the wax work for the glossy look.

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I had detailed foam wash, rubbing compound, wash again, polished with Meg Ultimate polish and then waxed..
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I had detailed foam wash, rubbing compound, wash again, polished with Meg Ultimate polish and then waxed..
Hi Panky,

I believe you should use a Sealant for a glossy mirror like shine. Waxes bring more warmer shine which is not glossy. Also, waxes are more prone to environmental factors so more frequent applications. Specially for a light coloured car you should go for Klasse High Gloss Sealant. I've heard it has great durability as well.

I also see one critical step missing in your process and that is claying. Without claying proper bonding won't happen and shine won't be there.

Hope this helps.

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I had detailed foam wash, rubbing compound, wash again, polished with Meg Ultimate polish and then waxed..
The above regime is quite strenuous already, so try out the below process only after sometime, maybe when the car gets somewhat dirty.


1. Wash using dishwashing liquid like pril to strip all wax etc from the paint
2. Clay the entire paint (you can even clay glass) or use a clay alternative - nanoskin/opti eraser etc
3. Do you need heavy paint correction? if not, then skip the 'rubbing compound', which most probably is aggressive enough to remove micrometers of paint.
4. use a medium/light/one step polish like fixer/sonus paintwork cleanser/klasse AIO. If you have megs polish use that.
5. use a glaze - if yours is a light colored car, use something like poorboys white diamond
6. use a wax/sealant like optiseal/megs tech 2/collinite/klasse HGS
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Hello everyone,

I hope I have posted this in the correct section.

So I have been hearing a lot about this new detailing procedure called Nano Ceramic Coating which is supossidly a hard glass like coating to protect your paint. On doing a bit of research, I have come across 3 brands - Nanolex, Opticoat and Max Protect.

I have spoken to each deatailer using respective brands and all of them obviously have their own version of why their product is the best. I have seen various videos and pictures on YuoTube as well as Facebook and their results are indeed impressive. However, I am confused on which is the right product. Do these products really work or it this another marketing gimmick?

Has anyone here used any of their products on their vehicles?
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Has anyone here used any of their products on their vehicles?
The only protection I am running with is Waxoyl 100 Plus sealent.

What is the costing of these products ?
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The only protection I am running with is Waxoyl 100 Plus sealent.

What is the costing of these products ?
They cost between 13k to 15k and offer a warranty (against loss of shine) of 2-3 years.
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They cost between 13k to 15k and offer a warranty (against loss of shine) of 2-3 years.
Would they offer recoating during warranty if a panel is repainted ?

For instance, If I change front bumper, would they put a coat again?

And since you have done the research already, which one is better and preferable ??
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Would they offer recoating during warranty if a panel is repainted ?

For instance, If I change front bumper, would they put a coat again?
Why should they? It would be no fault of theirs if we need a bumper replaced or repaint a panel because of accident damage.

You could try with your insurer, but I don't have much hope.

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And since you have done the research already, which one is better and preferable ??
Good question!

I was interested to see a new showroom opened nearby for Ceramic Pro (or was it Pro Ceramic!) but when I googled, the feedback on American detailing sites was that it was overpriced compared to the others and no better.
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Would they offer recoating during warranty if a panel is repainted ?

For instance, If I change front bumper, would they put a coat again?

And since you have done the research already, which one is better and preferable ??
As I mentioned in my pervious post; warranty is against loss of shine. So if you are repainting the panel, why do you expect them to recoat it under warranty?

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Good question!

I was interested to see a new showroom opened nearby for Ceramic Pro (or was it Pro Ceramic!) but when I googled, the feedback on American detailing sites was that it was overpriced compared to the others and no better.
I have been doing research on this for quiet a bit and it is true that the ceramic coating is better in terms of shine and longivity (in our climate conditions - 01 year maximum) but the results achieved in terms of shine with ceramic coating is just about 15% better than a professional detailing job. However, the pricing for ceramic coating is more than 3 times the cost which I personally feel is not worth as compared to the result. For example - For a VW Polo a professional detail (interior & exterior) would cost you around 6k-7k where as an exteriro ceramic coat and interior detail would cost a whooping 20k!! The creamic coating guys offer a free touch up after 06 months.

I personally feel that there is no justification in price if you anyway need to do a touch up after 06 months after spending a good 20k on ceramic coating. It feels like they have included the 'free' touch up in the cost too. Might as well get a professional detail for your car twice a year and you will still pay not more than 15k.

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