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Old 5th September 2011, 15:55   #16
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What exactly are you referring to when you say "basic tuneups"?

Which Ford A.S.S. in Delhi has this equipment?
Some cleanups these guys do.
All you gotta do is tell them youre failing the PUC test.
Its not equipment, its just some 30-40 point check they do, even when you give your car for a service.
Its the 550 rs bill item, usually.

And this is from your arch enemy, Harpreet at Motinagar...
Ideally go right after the service for the PUC.
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The guy pressed the accelerator pedal hard and then lifted his foot off the pedal. He repeated this procedure 10 times, and gave the readings.
That's how they do it with diesel cars. I think you should take this up with F.A.S.S only, may be a different service centre this time.
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The guy pressed the accelerator pedal hard and then lifted his foot off the pedal. He repeated this procedure 10 times, and gave the readings.
Ok then the test seems fine. Although cant say whether the equipment used for testing was upto date or not. Was the black smoke then due to bad fuel? Was there any change to your filling places/habits? When was the car serviced last?
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This is one very difficult proposition you have made.

Ford. In Delhi. Then knowledgeable. Pretty much impossible.
I don't know whether your Fusion is still under warranty or not. If not why don't you take it to Tutu Dhawan. He is the best you can get in Delhi.

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@DeepFusion, before you get further rectification work on the car:

Do you regularly rev the engine, as recommended in the owner's handbook ? The TDCi engine is supposed to revved to 3k rpm for 30 seconds every week. This will also help reduce deposits.

I have had a similar problem on my 2008 Ikon TDCi, when I went for a PUC check 2-3 months ago. I did see smoke, and was a little surprised too.

Points to remember -
* try & complete the PUC check *after a long trip.
* Helps if the engine is warm
* remember the weekly 3k rpm for 30 secs guideline
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Some cleanups these guys do.
All you gotta do is tell them youre failing the PUC test. I'll do that
Its not equipment, its just some 30-40 point check they do, even when you give your car for a service.
Its the 550 rs bill item, usually. Okay

And this is from your arch enemy, Harpreet at Motinagar... They are not my arch enemy. You will be surprised to note that Southcity Ford, Noida was much worse than Harpreet. Harpreet is not bad per se, just arrogant sort. BTW, I am in East Delhi, and visit Harpreet Sahibabad after Southcity was closed.

Ideally go right after the service for the PUC. Got it.
PS: Start multiquoting, else you will be visited soon.
You are always welcome, Sir. I am in Preet Vihar.
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It seems they have stopped using the exhaust method for diesel vehicles at least in Bangalore. Some 3 months back I had got my pollution check done on Ritz VDI , he had connected some sensors for the battery and he was checking the pollution reading based on the battery power variations(My guess) by depressing the accelerator .
And now in Bangalore the certificate is issued online as data is relayed to RTO site online.
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@DeepFusion, before you get further rectification work on the car:

Do you regularly rev the engine, as recommended in the owner's handbook ? The TDCi engine is supposed to revved to 3k rpm for 30 seconds every week. This will also help reduce deposits.

I have had a similar problem on my 2008 Ikon TDCi, when I went for a PUC check 2-3 months ago. I did see smoke, and was a little surprised too.

Points to remember -
* try & complete the PUC check *after a long trip.
* Helps if the engine is warm
* remember the weekly 3k rpm for 30 secs guideline
No, I do not rev the engine. Rather, I seldom exceed 2500 rpms. usually I drive at 70 kmph.

I shall do what you have pointed, from now on. Please tell me, can I do the revving thing in smaller gears.
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Did the attendant ask you to accelerate *just before* he took the reading? If yes, he was trying to pull a smart one on you.

I really doubt the car could fail the PUC as such; why don't you try a diff. PUC centre now?
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deepfusion, may I request you to take sufficient time to reply. I've edited your posts twice already. Please go through our board rules if you're not very clear.

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.. I seldom exceed 2500 rpms. usually I drive at 70 kmph.

... can I do the revving thing in smaller gears.
The 70 kmph is ok for your regular driving.

You can do the revving in lower gears also, but 3rd should be the best.
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It seems they have stopped using the exhaust method for diesel vehicles at least in Bangalore. .... he had connected some sensors for the battery and he was checking the pollution reading based on the battery power variations(My guess) by depressing the accelerator .
How can you measure engine emissions by connecting to a battery ?

What you have said is not correct. But you are correct on one point - the method has changed. The sensors are placed in a way to measure the oil temp. The emissions are still routed from the exhaust of the vehicle to the emission testing machine.

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...Fusion TDCI. The car has failed to pass the pollution under control test yesterday.
What should I do?
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The car is indeed throwing lots of black smoke.
Looks like you have a problem with the EGR valve, which any Ford A.S.S. (or any FNG) would be able to attend to easily. Tell them specifically about the EGR valve, not that you have failed your PUC.

You may be pulled up by the traffic cops for emitting visible smoke even though you might have a valid PUC certificate.
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You are always welcome, Sir. I am in Preet Vihar.
I hope you are not using the "Speed / Turbo" Diesel in your car. That fails test always. My indica (v2) used to fail the pollution test everytime I filled the "Premium" diesel.
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deepfusion, may I request you to take sufficient time to reply. I've edited your posts twice already. Please go through our board rules if you're not very clear.

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Did the attendant ask you to accelerate *just before* he took the reading? If yes, he was trying to pull a smart one on you.

I really doubt the car could fail the PUC as such; why don't you try a diff. PUC centre now?
The attendant himself got into the car, accelerated and then immediately decelerated 10 times and took the reading on each deceleration.

I have asked Ford India to give a solution for this problem. They have yet to reply.

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The 70 kmph is ok for your regular driving.

You can do the revving in lower gears also, but 3rd should be the best.
How can you measure engine emissions by connecting to a battery ?

What you have said is not correct. But you are correct on one point - the method has changed. The sensors are placed in a way to measure the oil temp. The emissions are still routed from the exhaust of the vehicle to the emission testing machine.
Yesterday evening, I did drive at 3000 rpms in the third gear. In the rear view mirror, I could see cloud of black smoke burst behind me initially, but then it was all clear.

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Looks like you have a problem with the EGR valve, which any Ford A.S.S. (or any FNG) would be able to attend to easily. Tell them specifically about the EGR valve, not that you have failed your PUC.

You may be pulled up by the traffic cops for emitting visible smoke even though you might have a valid PUC certificate.
I am waiting for a response from Ford India now.

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I hope you are not using the "Speed / Turbo" Diesel in your car. That fails test always. My indica (v2) used to fail the pollution test everytime I filled the "Premium" diesel.
No way. I use normal diesel always.
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The attendant himself got into the car, accelerated and then immediately decelerated 10 times and took the reading on each deceleration.
Well, I think this is the problem then!

If he's accelerating hard just before taking the reading, obviously the reading will be high.

Just go to some other PUC centre.
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