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Old 17th September 2011, 22:28   #16
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is Honda ASC the only place where you did this balancing? could it be a problem with the rims?
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2 sets of tyres all causing problems by making the car go left is suspect.

I seriously think your rims are at fault.

Go to the tyre dealer you originally bought the tyres from / or the Honda ASC and request them to mount the Yoko tyres on a new sets of rims. See if the problems goes away..

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The rims, tie-rod, suspension, steering have also been checked and have not been found faulty.

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Punkuz,

I had the same sort of problem with my OHC Type II and went crazy trying to resolve it. I tried the same trick, swapping the rims/tyres with a friend's OHC. It drove straight for a few days and the problem started again.

There was no grating noise or roughness in the wheel but a low speed rumble which I initially thought was due to the tyres. The left front wheel bearing had to be changed (which meant the right one as well as they come in a pair. The bearing's outer race was affected by wider than recommended low profile tyres (Falkens, UGH!) and a pot hole hit at high speed.

After the bearings were replaced I went back to BS 175/70 R14 (OHC VTEC OEM rims) and all was well till I sold the car. No more tyre upsizes for me after this experience.

Now before you tell me that you haven't used any after market rims and stuck to OEM tyre size for the most part, driving over pothole or speed breaker hit a high speed MAY have affected the wheel bearing.

May be worth getting it checked.

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A couple of questions:
1. Are you running after-market rims?
2. Could you share the wheel alignment data for toe, caster and camber for all four wheels? Do you have a printout of the same?
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strange indeed.

As said above, Please get the wheel alignment data and post it here if possible. Many service stations just check if the adjustable variables are within limits or not and adjust them, and other figures are not paid attention to. for example in most cars only toe in/toe out is adjustable. Camber values are not adjustable, and even if the machine shows they are within limits, a small variation may cause niggling problems. a thorough examination of the alignment data may reveal other problems in the suspension- if they exist.

I really don't think its the tyres. Also try jacking up both front wheels and drive them via the engine. see if both of them rotate evenly. (if one of the wheel is binding, that wheel will slow down and the other will rotate faster). If binding is too much get its cause diagnosed. Also check the rear wheels for free rotation.
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A couple of questions:
1. Are you running after-market rims?
No, they are stock rims. Also, point to be noted is just by swapping the tyres alone, the problem also gets swapped.
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2. Could you share the wheel alignment data for toe, caster and camber for all four wheels? Do you have a printout of the same?
Yes, will do. I have misplaced the printout and am searching for it. BTW, I was standing next to the alignment and have seen that all parameters were checked and when the pointer turned green then only the car was taken off from the hoist. Additionally, the alignment has been done on 3 different locations - Honda ASC and two different alignment shops.
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Punkuz,

high speed MAY have affected the wheel bearing.

May be worth getting it checked.

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Yes, I also thought the same thing after multiple rounds of checks and alignment and got the bearing also checked. The Honda ASC has told me that bearings are fine and there is absolutely no issue with the car.
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No, they are stock rims. Also, point to be noted is just by swapping the tyres alone, the problem also gets swapped.
You mean the tyres from the other Civic were removed from their rims, and fitted to your rims, and then driven - at which point you found the problem to have been swapped?
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Yes, will do.
...the alignment has been done on 3 different locations - Honda ASC and two different alignment shops.
4 wheel alignment + caster & camber values of all 4 wheels? Let's take a look at any one report from the 3 if you can put it up.
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Just wanted to let you know that i have been exchanging mail chains with Honda ASC, I did some bit of research on various international Civic forums ( same 8th generation model) and forwarded the below list to ASC. They told me that this has been checked and found OK. They keep on saying that tehre is no issue with car. To prove this only, they swapped the tyres with a new Civic and then my Civic drove fine whereas the other drgaged left. The test ride was done on the same stretch. I am now waiting for Yoko Regional Service Manager's response. He also witnessed the pull to left when he himself drove and then we had a lengthy chat with ASC MD who explained to him about the problem.

1. Check alignment - I think this has been checked multiple times
2. Check tyre pressue - I think we have checked this as well
3. Check the suspension strut - One person suggested that fluid levels were not proper
4. Check bearing and CV joints; few people have reported this
5. Check for Loose control arm bushings.
6. Check Loose tie rod ends.
7. Check for Loose inner tie rod sockets.
8. Check for Loose engine/transaxle mounts.
9. Check vehicle geometry - one person reported this - I am not sure what this means but this is also what was suggested. One person suggested that this solved his problem, a Honda dealership in UK
10. Toe misalignment. Check the steering linkage and adjust
11. Torque steer - due to engine movement from side to side that is the result of differing flexibility in engine mounts can also cause a left pull
12. Check for misadjusted drum brakes
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You mean the tyres from the other Civic were removed from their rims, and fitted to your rims, and then driven - at which point you found the problem to have been swapped?
yes, and this was done twice
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As we are on the topic of tyres thought this will interest many of us
So you think you are good at tyre changing take this Quiz (be honest,ok ,no cheating)

try this link/urlhttp://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/vehicle-maintenance/tire-change-quiz1.htm

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