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Old 17th June 2012, 12:32   #1
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Default Ford Endeavour - Engine / Turbo Issue?

My 2009 model [clocked more than 100k kms] Ford endeavour is flashing the engine check light. I was driving for 2 hours at high speed, suddenly the engine check light went ON and nothing happened to the performance that day. But when today I drove the vehicle, it lacked acceleration and it was very hard for the vehicle to overtake another car even at 90 kph, the sudden drop in performance is making me scared.

Later, I went to Bosch service center to scan the ECU for errors, they said turbo boost sensor and main exhaust flow sensors are reporting errors.

Has anybody encountered similar things in their vehicles?


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Old 17th June 2012, 13:51   #2
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Sounds like a piping issue. Check and renew all pipes hoses and clamps.
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Old 17th June 2012, 14:04   #3
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I checked all the pipes and hosings, but was unable find any leakages.
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But when today I drove the vehicle, it lacked acceleration and it was very hard for the vehicle to overtake another car even at 90 kph, the sudden drop in performance is making me scared.
It seems to be a case of your turbo not being able to generate enough boost due to:

1. Possible leak in the intercooler bottom hose.
2. Turbocharger bearing or other failure.
3. A leakage in the turbo hose either the inlet or the outlet.

Getting these checked should solve your problem.
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It is not advisable to keep on driving with the engine check-light glowing / flashing. Why not try taking it to Ford A.S.S. and have the problem diagnosed?
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But when today I drove the vehicle, it lacked acceleration and it was very hard for the vehicle to overtake another car even at 90 kph, the sudden drop in performance is making me scared.
In all probability, the engine has just gone to limp mode due to CEL and hence the lack in performance. Try clearing the errors, the performance should be back to normal. If not, the likely reason is pointed out by n.devdath.

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turbo boost sensor and main exhaust flow sensors are reporting errors.
A leak in the turbo plumbing (exhaust leak), might be causing the main exhaust flow sensor error. The leak will also mean that required boost is not achieved, and hence the turbo boost sensor error.
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Old 17th June 2012, 21:56   #7
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It seems to be a case of your turbo not being able to generate enough boost due to:

1. Possible leak in the intercooler bottom hose.
2. Turbocharger bearing or other failure.
3. A leakage in the turbo hose either the inlet or the outlet.

Getting these checked should solve your problem.
Sure, i will do that. Thanxz for the pointers.

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It is not advisable to keep on driving with the engine check-light glowing / flashing. Why not try taking it to Ford A.S.S. and have the problem diagnosed?
I will get it checked by A.S.S as soon as possible. Maybe tomorrow.

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In all probability, the engine has just gone to limp mode due to CEL and hence the lack in performance. Try clearing the errors, the performance should be back to normal. If not, the likely reason is pointed out by n.devdath.

A leak in the turbo plumbing (exhaust leak), might be causing the main exhaust flow sensor error. The leak will also mean that required boost is not achieved, and hence the turbo boost sensor error.
Yes, the limp mode, its both scary and frustrating and i don't even know what is gonna happen next and how much i need to pay for the issues to get rectified.


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Old 18th June 2012, 15:19   #8
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Took the vehicle to Bhagat Ford A.S.S today on grand trunk road near Jalandhar. The technician did the scanning and following errors were reported:-
1. P2263 EGR related fault.
2. P0404 Turbo boost failure.

After this he checked all the hoses, they were all intact. Then he took out some small diameter hoses near EGR valve/solenoid, turbo sensor and cleaned them with high pressure air. But the error didn't vanished, so he did a complete error reset and told me that now we need to wait and see if the "check engine light" comes again or not after driving. If the light will come on again, then changing the 4 solenoids is the only solution which will cost around 40k....

Frankly speaking, i am still not convinced about the issue/solution, though the engine check light is no longer glowing but i am keeping my fingers crossed, so that the problem shouldn't resurface again.

Still looking for a viable solution, if any

P.S: The limp mode is no longer present, vehicle is accelerating normally now.


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Old 1st July 2012, 18:25   #9
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Can anyone please tell me after how much kilometers the Turbocharger requires cleaning/servicing. How much difference this will make in turbo's performance.


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Exclamation Ford Endevour Sensors Issue !

So here is what happened to my truck (Dec. 2008 Model)

I was coming back from Dharamshala to Delhi and was about on reserve as I entered Haryana. Not taking any chances, I stopped at a IOC pump which looked decent with new digital machines and I took about 50L of Diesel plus added the Addon-D as well.

I noticed a little while later that my pickup had dropped considerably and as i usually carry essential spares with me (Air Filter too), i changed over to the new one as the previous one looked a little dusty (not choked but dusty).

This even didnt help and ultimately upon arrival in Delhi, i took it to my trusted mechanic who also suspected bad Diesel. I asked him to change diesel filter and i was right, The diesel that was there was too bad ! Anyhow, he recommended that i drive around to finish this tank full . Next when i topped up at my regular Outlet in ChanakyaPuri with turbojet, things went fine as if nothing had happened.

I had the truck washed and AC Serviced at dealership (where they once over filled the gas and then had to release and refill) and due to some urgent work, had to step out the very same time from Delhi. I noticed a severe drop in pickup and the truck was barely going past 100 . About 100 KM out of Delhi, I tanked up again and within minutes, The check engine light came over. I turned back and next day at the Service Station, it showed the following codes :

P2263-FF (Turbo Boost System Performance)
P0402-FF (EGR Excessive Flow Detected at Idle)

They further checked it and found 4 things at fault

MAF Sensor
2 x Solenoid Sensor for Turbo
Check Valve
Chocked Catalytic Convertor

All of the above minus catalytic convertor is setting me back by 35K.

The reasoning according to them is that a choked catalytic convertor damaged the sensors and the choking was a result of bad fuel.

I got the catalytic convertor cleaned and it did spill out loads of carbon and black deposits (whatever they were). Its now free flow (no grill etc. removed but cleaned effectively) and i see a little Improvement in the pickup but yet the turbo punch is missing.


There has been no ECM light now since the above codes were cleaned and the car is driven about 70KM after that and parked ever since waiting for a fix.

After researching on similar issues, some people have suggested that the battery be removed to reset ECM .

My question here is, Do i really need to spend this 35K or is the company taking me for a ride ? Could it be just some faulty connections or something they messed when they were servicing the AC ? Maybe the ECM got loose for I remember once, it happened in my baleno and they had to refix it after cleaning and all was good.

Your thoughts and experience on similar issues would be very much appreciated.

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I would suggest to clean the above said sensors, and clear the error codes, and see if these codes pop up again.

If not, you are good to go. And, I have a strong feeling you will be good to go.
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Thanks ! I'll get these sensors cleaned as well. As a matter of fact, Saw some videos on youtube about MAF Sensor cleaning.
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Problem Fixed ! Guys , If you have been told that your Diesel car has a bad MAF Sensor or a catalytic convertor, read here to save thousands of bucks.

As stated Earlier, I had issues on my Ford Endevour with low pickup and check Engine Light coming up and I was told that the reason for this issue was that the Catalytic Convertor choked and thus pushed back the gases and blah blah.

The estimated expense was to the tune of 80,000 Rs for replacement of all these parts. When I asked them If the catalytic convertor could be removed or cleaned, I was told how they used to just break it off In old days Ford Escort and it worked. But now , as the pollution laws are strict and , the sensors on the pipe would get a wrong reading so i better not remove. Cleaning is something i could try my luck with.

So i went to this local workshop, Got the CC removed , had pressurized air blown through followed by an extensive blow of water and again air until i could feel it was flowing without choking.

Now with the CC fixed, the Car did function a little better on the throttle but, the turbo was still not kicking in the way it would.

Next i Digged in on Internet and based on all the research i did, I realised that MAF sensors dont go crazy for Lakhs of KM and another Interesting part being, In several Other parts of the world, they clean MAF on each service to make the car going new.

So based on all the feedback, I started by 1st removing the Battery Terminals and then removed the MAF Sensor . I Procured Rubbing Spirit (The one they use before Giving Injection) & poured it into an empty collin bottle. Next I used a little collin spray to 1st clean the MAF off the Dirt that was there followed by extensive spray of Rubbing Spirit . Then I used some ear buds GENTLY to remove any dirt i could see on the sensor parts. I let it Dry for 2 hours and then put it back. I also cleaned the Solenoid Contact points with this rubbing spirit and although it would have dried in matter of minutes, I let the car stay this way overnight.

Today when I put everything back in place, the truck is Zooming the way it is meant to be. I can feel that punch back, the Turbo is kicking in the way it is supposed to be and its all good now and i just got saved from being screwed off big money by the A.S.S.


So If you have a similar issue regardless of which car you drive. First, do not drive your car on long with Engine light and next, try what i did and it could save you thousands of Rupees in replacement of parts that just have Dust accumulated over them.

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Problem Fixed ! Guys , If you have been told that your Diesel car has a bad MAF Sensor or a catalytic convertor, read here to save thousands of bucks.

So If you have a similar issue regardless of which car you drive. First, do not drive your car on long with Engine light and next, try what i did and it could save you thousands of Rupees in replacement of parts that just have Dust accumulated over them.
Resurrection of old thread, but a friend has recently had a similar problem with his 2012 Endeavour.

As expected the service center told him he needed sensors changed, without any further info. We plugged my OBD II into the car and got the same errors you have reported. I will try the steps you have listed with his car this weekend and report back on if we manage to solve the issue.

But! The important part is - Thank you for this. Its quality posts and solutions like these that make a forum or thread, one worth subscribing too!
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Resurrection of old thread, but a friend has recently had a similar problem with his 2012 Endeavour.

As expected the service center told him he needed sensors changed, without any further info. We plugged my OBD II into the car and got the same errors you have reported. I will try the steps you have listed with his car this weekend and report back on if we manage to solve the issue.

But! The important part is - Thank you for this. Its quality posts and solutions like these that make a forum or thread, one worth subscribing too!
So how did it go ? Was the Problem fixed ?
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