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Old 23rd November 2012, 13:23   #706
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Thanks for your additional information that you have provided. I believe what I have posted about Type-R and Type-L with respect to the battery polarity is 100% correct. Probably, I might have defined it in more engineering graphics drawing perspective. I have attached FRONT view and TOP view of my drawing which will clarify more on the Type-R and Type-L battery identification.

For more information, there is a website from Battery Association of Japan that provides Front and Isometric Engineering drawing views.
URL: http://www.baj.or.jp/e/car_battery/car03.html

Also, some manufacturers do not specify 'R' if the battery is of type-R. This is understood by the reader.

Thanks for the site link and the drawings. Obviously there's some confusion here due to the markings followed by Indian battery manufacturers, primarily Exide & SF as I have always used that brand in my cars both past and present.

For e.g. my car takes a 55B24L/MA45L and the +ve terminal is on the left when facing the car and battery case. The same orientation is present when looking from the top when at the front of the car. Similarly 1 of my older cars had a 38B24L, once again the +ve was on the left of the case when viewed from the front and top.

My Esteem had a 38B24R, with the +ve terminal on the RHS http://www.sfsonicpower.com/find-my-...ive-maruti.php

My City Type 1 had a 38B20L

http://www.sfsonicpower.com/find-my-...honda-siel.php

Pic - http://quezoncity.olx.com.ph/2002-ho...k-iid-74466781

Exide car 9G Corolla - http://www.exidereachout.com/OA_HTML...?section=10139

Note the 'L' suffix

SF - Current car corolla Altis http://www.sfsonicpower.com/find-my-...-kirloskar.php

This is the same battery as the Honda Civic. Note the L suffix. I have attached a pic of the engine bay, the +ve terminal with the red protective cap is on the LHS as you will note. Pic courtesy zigwheels.com @

http://www.zigwheels.com/newcars/Toy...ine-Shot/466/1

Also, in the drawings at the BAJ site - they do not specify which part of the battery is the front and rear when looking from the top.

And yes you are correct, if L OR R is not specified it is assumed to be a 'R' battery.
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Old 23rd November 2012, 15:15   #707
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Thanks for the site link and the drawings. Obviously there's some confusion here due to the markings followed by Indian battery manufacturers, primarily Exide & SF as I have always used that brand in my cars both past and present.

For e.g. my car takes a 55B24L/MA45L and the +ve terminal is on the left when facing the car and battery case. The same orientation is present when looking from the top when at the front of the car. Similarly 1 of my older cars had a 38B24L, once again the +ve was on the left of the case when viewed from the front and top.

My Esteem had a 38B24R, with the +ve terminal on the RHS http://www.sfsonicpower.com/find-my-...ive-maruti.php

My City Type 1 had a 38B20L

http://www.sfsonicpower.com/find-my-...honda-siel.php

Pic - http://quezoncity.olx.com.ph/2002-ho...k-iid-74466781

Exide car 9G Corolla - http://www.exidereachout.com/OA_HTML...?section=10139

Note the 'L' suffix

SF - Current car corolla Altis http://www.sfsonicpower.com/find-my-...-kirloskar.php

This is the same battery as the Honda Civic. Note the L suffix. I have attached a pic of the engine bay, the +ve terminal with the red protective cap is on the LHS as you will note. Pic courtesy zigwheels.com @

http://www.zigwheels.com/newcars/Toy...ine-Shot/466/1

Also, in the drawings at the BAJ site - they do not specify which part of the battery is the front and rear when looking from the top.

And yes you are correct, if L OR R is not specified it is assumed to be a 'R' battery.
Hi R2D2, For Corolla Altis, the Air filter is behind the battery in the engine bay, what you see is the battery's front side faces towards the Air filter and is placed towards right of the engine. Battery used is L-Type here. There are several postulates and parameters of placing a battery or any component in an engine bay. One among them is placing and routing in an efficient way.

On JAB website the TOP view (described as "Viewed from above" in section 4. Polarity position) clearly shows the lugs (battery terminals) and the battery front face. The front face of the battery is the face nearest to both the lugs. JAB has clearly shown the isometric view as well as the top view drawings. These drawings are adhering to the standards of the engineering graphics, so in the 'TOP' view the battery's front face is the lower portion on the plane, visible as a 'line'. These type of drawings are used in any machine design. Battery manufactured for cars in India follows the same International specifications.

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On JAB website the TOP view (described as "Viewed from above" in section 4. Polarity position) clearly shows the lugs (battery terminals) and the battery front face. The front face of the battery is the face nearest to both the lugs. JAB has clearly shown the isometric view as well as the top view drawings. These drawings are adhering to the standards of the engineering graphics, so in the 'TOP' view the battery's front face is the lower portion on the plane, visible as a 'line'. These type of drawings are used in any machine design. Battery manufactured for cars in India follows the same International specifications.
This is interesting. You are right about the JAB drawing. Thanks for letting me know about what side of the battery is the front. I wasn't aware.

Assuming that the front is the long side nearest the terminals, as is depicted in the JAB site then you are perfectly right - the L or R denotes the -ve terminal when the battery is viewed face on.

What I was told by Exide and its dealers is that R or L denotes the placement of the +ve terminal as you look into the car. And that makes sense in a way because an 'L' battery with it's front facing into the engine bay, as in the Corolla Altis, 9G Corolla or a Honda City, will obviously have its +ve terminal to the left when seen from the front of the car. This is right too albeit not technically so.
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My experience with Exide has been pretty good. The OEM battery in both my cars lasted for >4 years. Also have had good experience with the Bat mobile guys. They were prompt, knew the job and didn't even insist on me buying an Exide only.
I had also called my local Tata SS for a Tata green battery. To my utter amazement the guy asked me why I was not considering Amaron or Exide. Guess even the Tata guys are wary of their products!
Till date i too have a good experience with Exide battery and also batmobile. I had called Batmobile in two instances and they reached on time.
Rather i had a very bad experience with Amaron a couple of years back and i will never go for amaron for that reason.
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For more information, there is a website from Battery Association of Japan that provides Front and Isometric Engineering drawing views.

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http://www.baj.or.jp/e/car_battery/car03.html[/url]

Also, some manufacturers do not specify 'R' if the battery is of type-R. This is understood by the reader.
Thanks yogeshnaik for the reference, this has clarified a lot of questions regarding the battery coding.
Though the baj web site refers to "battery performance rank" for the first character and higher the better, I don't understand what they mean by "Under 50=2 steps, 50 and above 5 steps".
Also how to find out the current ratings in the battery?
Where is this information inscribed in the battery?
For example the OE battery for my car manual recommends 28AH/5HR.
Any suggestions?
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My swift VDi's battery died last week after exactly two years of service.

I got a deal of 4950 for Amaron GO 65DIN and purchased it as other closest deal was 5600 and next was 6000 (all after exchange of old battery)

Is it a good deal and correct market price?

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by "Under 50=2 steps, 50 and above 5 steps".
Also how to find out the current ratings in the battery?
Where is this information inscribed in the battery?
For example the OE battery for my car manual recommends 28AH/5HR.
Any suggestions?
I too couldn't figure out the performance ranking.

IMO, current/capacity ratings are best had from manufacturer's literature than the battery model.

As mentioned before there are some inconsistencies, at least in India. For e.g. my previous cars, a Corolla and a City Type 2, had a 38B24L.

This is ordinarily rated at 35AH but the OEM battery, an Exide Freedom and Standard Furukawa respectively, had the same model # but 32AH.

For my Altis', the OEM battery model was Exide Freedom 46B24LMF (45AH) I had to write in to Exide to get the ratings and charging current. It is the SAME battery as the 55B24L and MA45L (Exide Matrix) in terms of AH, dimensions, charging current and discharge rate.

This is a very clear example of how Indian battery manufacturers choose to alter battery naming conventions, given at the BAJ site, to suit their own ends.
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Thanks yogeshnaik for the reference, this has clarified a lot of questions regarding the battery coding.
Though the baj web site refers to "battery performance rank" for the first character and higher the better, I don't understand what they mean by "Under 50=2 steps, 50 and above 5 steps".
Also how to find out the current ratings in the battery?
Where is this information inscribed in the battery?
For example the OE battery for my car manual recommends 28AH/5HR.
Any suggestions?
Battery performance rank is a unitless scalar quantity. This indicates the rate at which the chemical reactions happen within a single cell. You must be aware that a cell has Pb and PbO plates dipped in H2SO4, there happens a chemical reaction in closed loop (when circuit completes). Did not write more on mathematical equations, so just in short explaination.

Current ratings of the battery is provided by manufacturer in the battery specs. This can be dynamic.

28AH/5HR are Ampere-Hour rating, The next after / symbol is Hour Rating that mentions rate of discharge. The HR rating means a battery is compared to a 100% capacity which has 20 Hour as discharge rate which is a standard defined. With respect to this standard, the battery you mentioned as 5HR has 80% capacity when compared to the standard one.
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Tata Green batteries are good, manufactured with the technology from GS Yuasa, Japan. Most of the Airport Service Taxis here have these batteries installed and they are running day and night. No complaints yet. Costs approximately Rs. 500/- cheaper than Amaron and Rs 700 to 800/- cheaper than Exide.

For private cars I prefer EXIDE as the quality is still well maintained by EXIDE. We pay more for the quality.
Well, higher price does not necessarily translate to better quality. And that can hold true for any product. In case of Exide, I'v heard that part of that higher price goes to the parent company for the brand name. Then you also pay for marketing/advertising, etc. Exide obviously seems to spend more than any other brand. All that comes from the customer's pocket, of course.

With good marketing, availability, visibility, etc., you can make customers BELIEVE that a certain product is better without it actually being so. You will find a lot may products like that. Brand perception...
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With respect to this standard, the battery you mentioned as 5HR has 80% capacity when compared to the standard one.
I didn't quite understand what the last sentence meant. Can you please elaborate? AFAIK, all batteries are measured either by 20 HR or 10 HR with the former being the established standard for nearly all manufacturers.
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My Indica 2001 DLS (Diesel) running on Tata Green since Oct 2008. Two days ago, car refused to start. With no space to push start, started with a spare battery yesterday by mechanic and took to garage. Engine switched off and on some 4-5 times and there were no problems at all. Mechanic concluded that the battery terminals must have been loose. Then I took the car to office nearby, parked in the lot and switched off engine. Tried to restart, but again back to the problem - no cranking. Additionally, instrument lights started flickering alongwith "click-click" sound. Push started and took to the same local garage. Got checked by electrician today and result - Battery needs replacement. Wanted to go for Amaron but due to lack of time, settled for Exide Champion 65Ah (nearby Exide dealer). Cost Rs.4400/- (Rs.5400/- minus Rs.1000/- for old battery).
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My observation is that, Exide has degraded its quality a lot, not only in cars, but across product range. I order UPS battery in bulk and i know exactly.

What i have seen in recent time, is Amron is very good. It works flawlessly in hills where weather is cold. I am using Amron in all the cars except Ritz which has stock battery as of now, one of them is 4.5 years old and cranks after months of non-usage.
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settled for Exide Champion 65Ah (nearby Exide dealer). Cost Rs.4400/- (Rs.5400/- minus Rs.1000/- for old battery).
Rs. 1,000 for an old battery is a good deal I guess.
I have been looking to sell my current battery (Exide Matrix) which is more than 5 years old for this price and want to buy a new one.
But the best offer I get is Rs. 500 from the battery dealers.
May be I should look for some other places.

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My observation is that, Exide has degraded its quality a lot, not only in cars, but across product range. I order UPS battery in bulk and i know exactly.
I think that Exide has lot of duplicates and recycled batteries that gets passed off as "New" battery especially for computer UPS applications.
Though I have had good experiences so far with Exide for automotive applications, I had always doubted the originality of computer UPS batteries.
So I switched to Amaron for computer UPS battery.
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Rs. 1,000 for an old battery is a good deal I guess.
I have been looking to sell my current battery (Exide Matrix) which is more than 5 years old for this price and want to buy a new one.
But the best offer I get is Rs. 500 from the battery dealers.
May be I should look for some other places.
I got the new one from Pune. I guess in Mumbai & Pune, you get Rs.1000/- for the old one. Down south in Ooty, they had offered Rs.600/- for the same old one.
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Guys,
Yesterday i had a general checkup of my Waggy and the MASS Mandovi Motors Yeshwantpur suggested that the battery has become weak and may conk off anytime (a month or a week). As i'm planning to go on a tour for 3 days in ghat sections and no so good stretches, would precautions do i need to take care for battery not to die in middle of nowhere?
Also, as with many suggestions in this thread was looking at "AAM-PR-0050B20L" Amaron battery. Anybody used it? How is the performance from my stock Exide battery?
Here's the link i go it from: http://www.amaron.in/choosebattery.php
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