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Old 12th September 2013, 13:46   #1
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Note to Mods: I could not find any thread for discussing problems with ORVMs. Hence starting a new thread. Kindly merge if any such thread exists.

My i10's passenger side ORVM is not working properly since yesterday.

Mine is i10 Era variant, which comes with black coloured (non body coloured) but internally adjustable ORVMs (similar to the ones in Santro GLX).

The up/down movement is happening with the adjustment stalk, but left/right movement is not happening.

What could be the reason ? What is the mechanism inside a non-electric internally adjustable ORVM ?

Can I fix it myself or do I need to visit the service centre ?

Are these things repairable ? Or will they simply advise a replacement ?

Also, what would be the approximate labour charge for repair / cost of replacement at Hyundai A.S.S. ?

Sorry for the long list of questions, but I'm used to driving using all 3 mirrors and feel blind if the left ORVM is not adjusted properly. Keeping an eye on the Left ORVM is probably the most important in Bangalore because everyone here tries to overtake you from the left side.

I hate vising the service centre for such small niggles. This would probably be the first time I would be visiting the Hyundai service centre apart from the routine service visits, in my 5 years of ownership.

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If the up down movement is happening then the cable may be Ok. I am not sure whether there are two or just the one. These should be repairable, but may not be worth it. They are pretty reasonable esp. if you go outside of the ASS.
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Hi Rohan,

The mirror is attached to metallic spring wires which are connected to the joystick inside the car. One of those cables must have snapped and that's why only the 'up down' function is working.
Fixing it at the showroom might be expensive.
Have you tried adjusting the glass manually from the outside? Since we don't need to adjust the mirrors all the time, you could leave it as it as and if required adjust the glass manually from the outside for the correct position.
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If the up down movement is happening then the cable may be Ok. I am not sure whether there are two or just the one. These should be repairable, but may not be worth it. They are pretty reasonable esp. if you go outside of the ASS.
IIRC, there are 3 cables inside. I have seen broken ORVM (plastic cover missing) of some other car. I wonder what the third cable is for.

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The mirror is attached to metallic spring wires which are connected to the joystick inside the car. One of those cables must have snapped and that's why only the 'up down' function is working.
Fixing it at the showroom might be expensive.
Have you tried adjusting the glass manually from the outside? Since we don't need to adjust the mirrors all the time, you could leave it as it as and if required adjust the glass manually from the outside for the correct position.
I tried adjusting the glass manually from the outside. But it soon looses the correct alignment once I start driving the car.

Are these cables similar to brake cable or clutch cable in 2 wheelers ? In that case, repair may be difficult.

Or could it be just a dislocation of the joystick mechanism ?

How difficult is it to open the plastic cladding which houses the joystick ? Can I just snap it open to check the internal mechanism ?

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Just to let you know incase your DIY does not fix it, the price of the whole ORVM unit including the stalk/base is INR 850~900.
I recently got the ORVM unit changed on my i10 Era from HASS. Not sure of the Labour charge as it was clubbed with other work done on my car. You can probably buy it from Hyundai and get it repalced by some outside mechanic/body shop.
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My i10's passenger side ORVM is not working properly since yesterday.

What could be the reason ? What is the mechanism inside a non-electric internally adjustable ORVM ?

Can I fix it myself or do I need to visit the service centre ?

Are these things repairable ? Or will they simply advise a replacement ?

Also, what would be the approximate labour charge for repair / cost of replacement at Hyundai A.S.S. ?

Rohan
Mostly the wires got loose from the stick. It has happened to me twice unfortunately when it got pushed to the wrong side. Both the time fixed it free of cost while regular service.
You can let a roadside mechanic look at it if you don't want to visit service center.
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So I opened the plastic panel around the joystick, to observe the cables. I managed to snap it open with my fingernails.

There were 3 cables coming out from the joystick. 2 cables are tight, whereas the 3rd cable looks loose. Any clues ?

Is it possible to remove the glass in order to observe the mechanism inside ?

I have seen a lot of roadside mechanics and repair shops for 2 wheelers, but never seen any such repair shops for cars in Bangalore, other than the respective A.S.S.

Will the car accessory stores be able to rectify this kind of problem ?

There is a Maruti A.S.S. (Green Cars) near my residence. Will they attend to Hyundai cars for such minor jobs ?

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Hi Rohan,

The glass can be removed by prying it out but ensure you do not break the locks which holds the glass in its place.

As far as Maruti ASS is concerned, no they will not attend to Hyundai cars but what you can do is to visit the ASS in the evening and find a mechanic after his shift is over. Have him look at it and if he can fix it get it fixed and pay him 100 bucks for the job. This is if you don't want to get into the hassle of going to Hyuindai.

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cables will hardly snap, but the plastic locks that hold the cable might have been broken. The principle is very simple. Just like how bicycle brake works.
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Hi Rohan,

Take the mirror ( full assembly ) to the "Gujri Market " adjacent to the Russel Market at Shivaji nagar and there is a couple of shope who only specialise in these kind of repair jobs. They charge you may be a max of INR 100 for the 10 minute job.

I had a similar problem with my Getz and the new one was costing me over INR 1500 and had to wait for more than a week. Lastly the Shivajinagar job did the trick.
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Thanks for all the replies guys.

I got the left ORVM at the Hyundai A.S.S. It costed Rs 880, inclusive of labour.

I have collected the old part, will try to get it repaired sometime later.

I was feeling really uncomfortable without the ORVM. I use the Elevated Road to commute to my workplace. Driving on the elevated road at 80 kmph would be suicidal without functional ORVMs. Hence didn't go for the repair route and got it replaced ASAP.

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Hi friends, need your idea for my ORVM cap issue. Mine is i10 sportz, which comes with internally adjustable ORVM with light blinkers. Recently, my right ORVM hit the wooden pole with high speed kept in Blr-Chn GQ highways on blind spot . Luckily, only outer skull cap got broken and still entire set up works fine. It still blinks and I can adjust the view internally successfully. When enquiring with Advaith Hyundai ASS, Hyundai does not provide mirror cap alone and suggested entire ORVM set up to be replaced which costs Rs.2300 + 300 for painting . I really got shocked as it is total rip-off . I do not want to replace entire unit as everything is working fine except rear cap. As of now, I've put tapes to cover the rear as it is raining season in Bangalore. Your suggestions are welcome to sort this ORVM mirror-cap in cheap-and-Best manner.
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When enquiring with Advaith Hyundai ASS, Hyundai does not provide mirror cap alone and suggested entire ORVM set up to be replaced which costs Rs.2300 + 300 for painting . I really got shocked as it is total rip-off.
I was in same boat as you a few months ago when a RTC bus hit my right-side ORVM of the new Swift damaging only the blinker. Went straight to MASS to get a solution, they simply say replace the whole ORVM and get the outer cover painted to blue with a total estimate of 4K. I smiled and left saying 'Thank you'.

After a while searching for alternative, ordered only the blinker from MGP website and got hold of the OEM part and fit it myself. Costed my Rs 1352.

So my opinion is, contact the spares dealer to try and get hold of the outer shell and get out painted.

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I'm kinda in the same boat. My getz's right hand side ORVM's mirror cracked and fell off. The entire unit by itself is intact and when I contacted the service center, they want to me replace the entire unit for 3k!! I'm in sort of a dilemma now since I drive without a mirror. Will anyone please provide any suggestions. Any place where I can get it done at a minimal cost?
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Hi friends, need your idea for my ORVM cap issue. Mine is i10 sportz, which comes with internally adjustable ORVM with light blinkers. Recently, my right ORVM hit the wooden pole with high speed kept in Blr-Chn GQ highways on blind spot . Luckily, only outer skull cap got broken and still entire set up works fine. It still blinks and I can adjust the view internally successfully. When enquiring with Advaith Hyundai ASS, Hyundai does not provide mirror cap alone and suggested entire ORVM set up to be replaced which costs Rs.2300 + 300 for painting . I really got shocked as it is total rip-off . I do not want to replace entire unit as everything is working fine except rear cap. As of now, I've put tapes to cover the rear as it is raining season in Bangalore. Your suggestions are welcome to sort this ORVM mirror-cap in cheap-and-Best manner.
Finally replaced ORVM at Advaith, damage is 2900 bucks . Highlight is they asked Rs.900 for painting. I could not control my laugh hearing this as I could have painted a small room with that amount. After negotiating, they reduced to Rs.500. Total rip-off.
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