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It works wonders for my car/bike. I highly recommend it. 22 33.85%
Slight improvement, but I recommend it. 12 18.46%
No difference at all. Don't bother trying this non-sense stuff. 17 26.15%
It screwed my car!!! Stay away from all boron compounds!!! 14 21.54%
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Old 21st August 2008, 17:35   #346
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I think the mods should interviene and help. Am not sure but I just hope lot of newbies just don't blindly follow such things and cause damage to their vehicles.
Teambhp is a reputed forum and lot of suggestions on this forum is being blindly followed by a large community outside.
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Old 21st August 2008, 17:48   #347
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Team-bhp does not endorse any such experiments. Whatever Team-bhp advises is in article section.
That said, this is a public forum and every member is free to offer their suggestions and advices. But following that advice is purely dependent on the member
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Old 1st September 2008, 12:34   #348
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I have tried Boron treatment in the M800 gearbox also. at first not much of difference. but after 2-3 days the gear shift was very smooth. i could feel the difference. So again a big thanks to you.
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Hi rakowli,

Keep on reaping unheard benefits through your guts & inclination towards science.That makes the difference.Your benefits in either pulsar or M800 is outcome of a technology of future and your faith & understanding.

I m so happy that this is passing tremendous benefits
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You need not remove old gear oil till next 5000Km.This will improve your gear shifting,will reduce transmission losses,tooth drag & so on that we can never achieve with single click.As you drive more you will feel more benefits in the same manner as in engine oil.You might be able to shift gear if everything is finetuned with just a push of a finger.This has impact on engine performance too.

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Old 1st September 2008, 23:35   #350
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Hello FT and other friends,
I have been following this thread and I would like to try the procedure on my '02 pulsar and palio of the same year both have done good amount of mileage. Is the procedure as simple as buying Boric Acid powder off the counter and adding some 5-10% to engine oil and then using that engine oil in car or two wheeler ? How long does it take to get mixed in the oil. Is it recommended only to be used with synthetic oils or mineral oils can also be used, also please suggest the recommended percentage and procedure of mixing the BA powder with oil. Are there any pre-requisites for this treatment ?

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Old 2nd September 2008, 14:22   #351
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Hi,

In pulsar you can add 10gm pure BA with 100ml normal engine oil that you normally use.Mix it well if possible with mixer grinder or hand mixer.Add to engine oil directly from where you add fresh oil in hot engine.You need to bring engine at normal temperature before adding for best benefit.Instantly drive bike without delay for best result up to 30 to 40 minutes without stopping & much pulling.

In your palio you can add 80gm pure BA disolving/mixing with say 300ml normal engine oil that you use.Strill it well as above & pour in hotter engine.Star car & drive for 40 minutes minimum.

Make sure to buy BA from good chemist.Pure powder is very bright,slippery & very fine.
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Thanks FT for your prompt reply. my wife will kill me if I use the mixer at home for this purpose and I don't want to buy another one specifically for this. Is it ok if I just mix it well by hand using a container and a spoon or something. hope it doesn't form small granules when mixed with oil like other powders do when they are mixed with water. Any other suggestions are most welcome.

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Ok

Mixing with mixture is only to make BA spreading evenly with oil and also to break down it into finest particle.If not using any mixture then make sure to break any lumps of BA first then use & stir by any means.If still you find small granuals(you probably will) then break it with spoon or by any means otherwise that will be trapped by oil filter & will be of no use.

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thanks once again, will try the treatment and post the results soon.
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Hi There,
I have been watching this thread with great interest!

After reading through the mant pages about Boric Acid here i decided to give it a try.
I live in the UK and have an old Vauxhall Astra 1.4i car,i have had the car for approx 6 years.
The car had approx 50,000 miles on it when i bought it,now it has done approx 110,000+ miles.
I have regularly replaced the oil and filter,and used good quality semi synthetic oil.
The car runs well,the only minor thing is that of slight hydraulic tappet noise on startup when cold and when left standing for some days,within a minute or two the tappets are then fine,i have been told that this is quite normal.

Anyway i bought some Boric Acid 99.5% industrial/technical grade and mixed it with acetone as previously recommended.

I then took the car for a long run approx 100 miles,what i noticed is that the engine starting to run quieter and smoother,also i noticed that i needed a touch less throttle to keep say 50mph!

Now after running the car since (approx 300 miles more) the hydraulic tappets are now silent on startup,and the car feels smoother and seems to glide along!

I am about syphon out some gearbox/differential oil and mix some Boric Acid with some ep80 oil and then top up the transmission oil and give the car a good run.

I have also just mixed some Boric Acid with engine oil and put that in my friends old Ford Orion diesel car and see how that performs.

I have not forgotten to change my oil filter,or my friends,but the results look excellent.

In future i will mix the Boric Acid with oil only,and not acetone,as i noticed a small amount of Boric acid left on the inside of the cam cover,on the cam splash guard.
When i did my friends Ford diesel car the oil/Boric acid mix seems to not leave a slight boric acid residue on the cam splash guard,i think that is due to the heat of the engine vapourising the acetone quickly.

But all in all i am delighted with the results so far!

Thanks Finetuning top man.
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Old 31st October 2008, 11:39   #356
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I tried this method on my caliber 115. I took out about 15ml of , mixed 8 gms of boric powder in 15 gms of acetone till it formed a near-clear white liquid. Then added 100 ml of oil (Petronas 10W40 synthetic, used for some 500-800 kms) from bike. Kept shaking the bottle many times till next day. After riding the bike for about 1-2 kms, i added the mixture in the engine. And then...

No change! Initially I was feeling mentally that the change will occur now, no, bit later, no, maybe now.... it never came! In fact, I found the noise of bike to be increased! What can be the reason? What did I do wrong? It's almost 300 kms after that experiment, so enough time has passed by. But still there is not 'feelable' change in the engine. Additionally, the idling is not proper too, shooting way up to 2500 from it's default 1350 value by its own, not sure whether this experiment was responsible.

Finetuning, can you please guide me further?
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Hi all!

I am from South Africa, but this is one of very few forums where people have actually tried Boric acid/oxide in their engines, which is why I am reviving this thread.

I have done so also, but with a very different method to the way you people have done it.
The cars I have done this to with my method have all shown huge improvements within 2 to 3 km!
Except 2*
You do this by doing a bit of research and using your head:
Boric oxide + water = boric acid.
So rather than relying on moisture in old oil to react with the oxide; I added enough water to make it ... watery and poured it in!

I have many reservations about doing this.
Like the large particles blocking the oil filter... (20-45microns filtered)
What the stuff becomes when reacting with nitrogen and hydrocarbons at the temps and pressures found in engines etc.
(this was the subject of a lot of research for me)

How is everyones cars long term that have added Boric oxide?
It has been in my car for 8 months now.

*NB: the water thins the oil and can lead to the oil light coming on.
add slowly for really old engines and switch off immediatly if the light come on.

I look forward to hearing from long term users!
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All Right. I wanted to test it. After servicing and oil change,Today i have added aprx 15gm+Few ml acetone to my HH bike (11,000 Km).

Results, if any , will be shared shortly as i am planning a long ride this week end.
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All Right. Results are in.

What i did: Added 15 Gm of Boric powder with some acetone to engine oil (Changed a day back) to my bike CD deluxe (11000 done).

I am also adding acetone to petrol for last 2 months.

Then i took bike for a long ride over weekend. Aprx 615 Km. And conclusion is

Avg: 54.89 KMPL (Generally i get 57-58)

Reason could be 70+ speed on highway and speeding at signals. Still 2-3 km drop per liter is huge.

I am not sure about smoothness of engine. Though it felt smoother, it could be due to recent servicing and or such a long ride.

So Conclusion : Neutral (Atleast no after effects as of now :-) )
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All Right. Results are in.

What i did: Added 15 Gm of Boric powder with some acetone to engine oil (Changed a day back) to my bike CD deluxe (11000 done).

I am also adding acetone to petrol for last 2 months.

Then i took bike for a long ride over weekend. Aprx 615 Km. And conclusion is

Avg: 54.89 KMPL (Generally i get 57-58)

Reason could be 70+ speed on highway and speeding at signals. Still 2-3 km drop per liter is huge.

I am not sure about smoothness of engine. Though it felt smoother, it could be due to recent servicing and or such a long ride.

So Conclusion : Neutral (Atleast no after effects as of now :-) )
Boric Oxide is not a lubricant idea1979.
Once it has reacted with water to form boric acid it becomes a lubricant.
B2O3 + H2O = H2BO3
Fortunatly there is some H2O 'dissolved' in all engine oil. (the older the oil the better/more water)
Especially in a humid place like India!

The Boric Oxide will slowly react with this water to form the desired acid.

I use water in stead of acetone
and then the results are almost instantanious.

NB: Adding water to oil temporarily thins the oil.
In old engines this can result in not enough oil pressure: the oil pressure warning light will come on.
Add the stuff a little at a time.
Add prefrably thicker oil if the oil light comes on.

In your case the effects will take a long time to become apparent as more and more water gets into the oil and reacts to form acid.

To speed up the process add a tablespoon or 2 of water and drive slowly to normally for 1 km then repeat.

As Boric oxide is only around 20% soluble in hot water you will need about 250 ml of water for every 50 g of powder added.
(the engine will heat the water)

ie:
20% is 1/5 of 100%
Therefore multiply amount of grams of powder added by 5 to work out water reqd.
(I add a bit more than that as the powder is more dense than water...)

This will dissolve the powder that is currently blocking your oil filter and put it on the metal surfaces where it belongs.
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