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Old 21st December 2007, 19:17   #211
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I Had given the car for a full body wash . i have a k & n conical filter with the pipes fitted to my Red swift . i had told them to cover the k & n filter and then wash the engine, but once the wash was done the k & n filter has shrunk in the middle, you can say it been squeezed in the middle . Wanted to know if i have to replace them or is it normal . If it is normal does it harm the performance. i Can feel the sound of the car is reduced before the wash. please advice
Your service guys have damaged your filter. Probably they would have covered your filter with a plastic bag or equivalent, before washing the engine. And then forgot about it and started the car.....so there was no air for the filter to suck and it would have resulted in a shrunk filter...This could have caused serious engine damage too since your engine might have choked. I have 2 things to tell you since you observed a change in sound.
1) Get your engine checked by the service guys to make sure its fine.
2) Change your filter for sure.

Hope for the best.
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Old 21st December 2007, 22:17   #212
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Replace the filter to be on the safer side. Can you post a picture of the damage?

It seems that they have started the engine with the plastic cover. Get your engine checked. Would you mind sharing where you did the car wash?
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Old 22nd December 2007, 18:52   #213
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Hey viper316, post a picture of the damage please.
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Is it available here? If so any idea about the cost? Actually i am pretty satisfied with the performance of the short ram intake as of now, but i wouldnt mind an upgrade later on...

I have one more alternative, can i fix a longer pipe( custom made if needed) and direct the filter intake to another part within the bay, where air is colder? Also will colder air really contribute to a noticable increase in performance?
(Since i cant find dyno anywhere in bangalore to check it out for real)

With the k&N, what i actually feel for sure and noticably, is more of MBHP ( Mental BHP) hehehe
Yes. Cold Air intakes are available. The short intake pipe is good for tuning the intake resonance (in your case, looking at your pictures, it may be around 2500rpm). Putting a longer pipe and shifting the filter location changes the resonance point to a much lower rpm. Plus, if you shift the filter to a lower location inside the engine bay, the problem of dirt, rain water and slush getting on to the filter would increase.

The solution is a "shroud" to completely cover the filter (sort of the air filter box in the OE setup). K&N sells these shrouds. The intake of the shroud is a long flexible pipe which can be routed to the location just behind the bumper lights. This way, the filter is also protected (since not exposed). Plus, even during rains, the water would not get in the way of the filter. Hope this helps.

It may be possible to purchase the shroud and piping for your car as add on to the existing K&N installation. Please see K&N website. Yes. The shroud and pipes are available in India (I saw one set in Oozone Enterprises, Indira Nagar, Bangalore).
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Yes. Cold Air intakes are available. The short intake pipe is good for tuning the intake resonance (in your case, looking at your pictures, it may be around 2500rpm). Putting a longer pipe and shifting the filter location changes the resonance point to a much lower rpm. Plus, if you shift the filter to a lower location inside the engine bay, the problem of dirt, rain water and slush getting on to the filter would increase.

The solution is a "shroud" to completely cover the filter (sort of the air filter box in the OE setup). K&N sells these shrouds. The intake of the shroud is a long flexible pipe which can be routed to the location just behind the bumper lights. This way, the filter is also protected (since not exposed). Plus, even during rains, the water would not get in the way of the filter. Hope this helps.

It may be possible to purchase the shroud and piping for your car as add on to the existing K&N installation. Please see K&N website. Yes. The shroud and pipes are available in India (I saw one set in Oozone Enterprises, Indira Nagar, Bangalore).
Hey, thank you so much GSHA, that is one of the most comprehensive replies that my query could possibly ever get!!! Awesome!!!
By the way, what exactly do you mean by resonance? At 2500 rpm, the car makes a very low bass growl, on further revving it translates into music...Is that what you mean by resonance? Actually i am rather confused with your "resonance" thingy!!!

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Het GSHA, From what you have mentioned...is this where the intake will end up if i am making a shift to cold air intake?
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dont put it there. you will have a serious problem of water or something gettin in. just get something like a k&n apollo or a green storm and take the pipe to your grill. that will work the best.
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dont put it there. you will have a serious problem of water or something gettin in. just get something like a k&n apollo or a green storm and take the pipe to your grill. that will work the best.
But i thought theres some kind of shroud available?....(read GSHA's post)
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I dunno if this scare of hydrolocking the engine is justified unless the roads are waterlogged.

If you are seriously considering a CAI, why not invest in a AEM's Bypass Valve? It's not that expensive. Especially not if you would be considering an engine rebuild at some point of time.

AEM - Air Bypass Valve for Cold Air
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I dunno if this scare of hydrolocking the engine is justified unless the roads are waterlogged.

If you are seriously considering a CAI, why not invest in a AEM's Bypass Valve? It's not that expensive. Especially not if you would be considering an engine rebuild at some point of time.

AEM - Air Bypass Valve for Cold Air
Well i drive in kerala too...and during monsoons....the rivers are far sane than the roads in Cochin!!!
And yeah, going for the AEM intake means i must remove my K&N right? Or can the valve function with a k&N too? Any clue who deals in these AEM things in Bangalore?

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But i thought theres some kind of shroud available?....(read GSHA's post)
if you can get something like that then it would be as good as an apollo.
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Het GSHA, From what you have mentioned...is this where the intake will end up if i am making a shift to cold air intake?
Probably I did not explain properly... The filter location is the same as where you have placed it now (as installed in your car). The shroud comes on top of the filter (it just encloses the filter). The intake path is a long pipe that is routed the way you have shown in your picture.

@akshay1234, you are right. If the filter is placed way down (as Torqueguru has depicted in this picture), then water / mud / slush could get in the filter.

I will try and post some pictures.
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M waiting for your pics GSHA...
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if you can get something like that then it would be as good as an apollo.
@akshay1234, you are absolutely right. I just figured in the K&N website that it is called the APOLLO. Thanks.

Please see website link below:

K&N Apollo Universal Cold Air Intake Systems
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@akshay1234, you are absolutely right. I just figured in the K&N website that it is called the APOLLO. Thanks.

Please see website link below:

K&N Apollo Universal Cold Air Intake Systems
the apollo is not a shroud. it is a full cold air intake.
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