Go Back   Team-BHP > Under the Hood > Technical Stuff


Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 26th March 2004, 15:12   #1
Team-BHP Support
 
Rehaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 22,373
Thanked: 22,588 Times
Default

Hey guys,

Ive always known that bikes are much faster... insane amounts of power and huge power to weight ratios.

Everyone knows that bikes can kill cars in the quarter mile.

So it came as a (pleasant) suprise to me when i found out that cars are actually faster on a circuit!

The breaking is where the car's 4 wheels come into play ;-] and just give so much more traction and hence better, less lethal stopping power.

heres a vid where Jeremy Clarkson has arranged a 4wd Carrera (slower than a 2wd on the dry circuit) against a Yamaha R1...so he can show the footage to all the bike guys and finally tell them to SHUT UP! ;-]

http://www.daidegas.it/Video....0R1.wmv

cheers


ps - if that link doesnt work this is the page where its from>
Huge archive of some AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME bike vids
http://www.daidegas.it (click on video)
Rehaan is offline  
Old 26th March 2004, 16:10   #2
Senior - BHPian
 
Shan2nu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Hubli - Karnata
Posts: 5,525
Thanked: 87 Times
Default

No doubt about that man. On a circuit, no bike can match a car of the same standard.

I had posted a message on this topic a few months ago on FI.

Check out some of the laptimes of an F1 car when compared to SBK and MotoGP.

It goes like this..............Here are some of the pole position lap times achieved by F1, SBK and MotoGp riders on a given track.

This gives you an idea as to how fast F1 cars, SBk and MotoGp bikes are.

I guess all the power to weight stuff doesn't really help bikers when
they're put up against the mighty F1 cars.

2002 Pole Position Times

Suzuka, Japan.
F1 - Pole Pos time - Michael Schumacher - 1min 31.317secs
Moto GP - Pole Pos time - Loris Capirossi - 2min 05.052secs

Sepang, Malaysia
F1 - Pole Pos Time - Michael Schumacher - 1min 35.266secs
Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - Tohru Ukawa - 2min 05.106secs

Imola, Italy
F1 - Pole Pos Time - Michael Schumacher - 1min 21.091secs
SBK - Pole Pos Time - Collin Edwards - 1min 48.336secs

Monza, Italy
F1 - Pole Pos Time - Montoya - 1min 20.264secs
SBK - Pole Pos Time - Neil Hodgson - 1min 48.282secs

Silverstone, Great Britain
F1 - Pole Pos Time - Montoya - 1min 18.998secs
SBk - Pols Pos Time - Troy Bayliss - 1min 47.729secs

Assens, Netherland
SBK - Pole Pos Time - Collin Edwards - 2min 01.966secs
Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - ValentinoRossi - 2min 01.691secs

Phillip Island, Australia
SBK - Pole Pos Time - Collin Edwards - 1min 32.767secs
Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - Jeremy McWilliams - 1min 31.919secs

Valencia , Spain
SBK - Pole Pos Time - Ruben Xaus - 1min 34.927secs
Moto GP - Pole Pos Time - Max Biaggi - 1min 33.211secs

There really isn't much difference between SBK and MotoGP lap times.

Regards...
Shan2nu
Shan2nu is offline  
Old 26th March 2004, 16:26   #3
zen
BHPian
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 64
Thanked: 12 Times
Default

wow! Never would've thought that!

*off to hunt for the codec*
zen is offline  
Old 26th March 2004, 16:39   #4
Senior - BHPian
 
Shan2nu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Hubli - Karnata
Posts: 5,525
Thanked: 87 Times
Default

It's like this, if you were to race a Hayabusa against a Westfield XTR (which has a busa engine) on a tight track like the one on Top Gear, i don't think the Busa can even come close to the XTRs time of 1:22.6 secs.

Bikes are straight line rockets, but no track burners.

Regards...
Shan2nu
Shan2nu is offline  
Old 26th March 2004, 16:43   #5
BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 246
Thanked: 6 Times
Default

Yea that is true.....Nice video by the way. THere was also an Article in Top Gear about this.
rgowani is offline  
Old 26th March 2004, 19:05   #6
Senior - BHPian
 
Gordon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 2,420
Thanked: 162 Times
Default

I guess its not only the four wheels, but aerodynamics also that come into play
that huge bloody downforce that they create helps them to turn faster on higher speeds
Gordon is offline  
Old 27th March 2004, 01:25   #7
Team-BHP Support
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 7,306
Thanked: 23,875 Times
Default

I got the entire Head to Head CD. The bike has a better power to weight ratio that sees it storm past the car to start with. Think of it, a Suzuki Hayabusa accelerates to 60mph in less than 3 secs - a time even the McLaren F1 can't match. But the car has 4 wheels that makes cornering easy compared to the bike. That's where the bike loses out.
Aditya is offline  
Old 27th March 2004, 03:36   #8
Senior - BHPian
 
Shan2nu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Hubli - Karnata
Posts: 5,525
Thanked: 87 Times
Default

Can't say the same about the bikes in India.

Frankly if you compare the Pulsar 180 DTSi and the Karizma with Indian cars, you realise how far these bikes need to go before they can even match their 4 wheeled rivals.

Now how about a sub 10 sec bike!!!

Regards...
Shan2nu
Shan2nu is offline  
Old 27th March 2004, 06:43   #9
Team-BHP Support
 
Rehaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 22,373
Thanked: 22,588 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] (Shan2nu @ Mar. 27 2004,02:06)]Now how about a sub 10 sec bike!!!
It is called a Hayabusa (with no mods)!
Rehaan is offline  
Old 27th March 2004, 16:05   #10
Senior - BHPian
 
Shan2nu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Hubli - Karnata
Posts: 5,525
Thanked: 87 Times
Default

For India dude!!! 10 secs as in 0-100kmph lol

Ofcourse the Yam Dragstar can do that.

Regards...
Shan2nu
Shan2nu is offline  
Old 27th March 2004, 16:06   #11
Senior - BHPian
 
Shan2nu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Hubli - Karnata
Posts: 5,525
Thanked: 87 Times
Default

Here's a simlar topic on another forum, they even have a vid of a bike beating an F1 car........Yeah Right!!!!

http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=21393

Regards...
Shan2nu
Shan2nu is offline  
Old 27th March 2004, 16:11   #12
Senior - BHPian
 
Shan2nu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Hubli - Karnata
Posts: 5,525
Thanked: 87 Times
Default

That F1 car was cruising man and i don't think a street bike can overtake an F1 car on the straights. BTW was that an F1 car???

Damn....those cheats!!!!!!

Regards...
Shan2nu
Shan2nu is offline  
Old 28th March 2004, 01:56   #13
GTO
Team-BHP Support
 
GTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 47,735
Thanked: 89,307 Times
Default

I am not really a biker, just love the amount and depth of technology that you can pack in a 4 wheeler. Yes cars are quicker than bikes around a track for downforce, braking and the fact that you would take MORE risks with a body shell protecting you, rather than without it.

GTO
GTO is offline  
Old 30th March 2005, 22:43   #14
Senior - BHPian
 
karthik247's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: BLR, HYD
Posts: 2,708
Thanked: 16 Times
Default

the video with the carrera and the R1 clears things up..the R1 was struggling to keep up with the cars' pace.. but as i rem. the R1 overtakes the car in the end
karthik247 is offline  
Old 30th March 2005, 22:53   #15
BHPian
 
cheatingdeath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 275
Thanked: 4 Times
Default

so logically tat means it is more difficult to be a bke rider than a car driver.. i.e .... a bike is more difficlut to ride on a circuit compared to the car....
cheatingdeath is offline  
Closed Thread


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Satpura - Quick Jaunt, Quicker Log lucifer1881 Travelogues 5 26th February 2015 03:59
Merc C250 gets quicker with Race Chip (Rs. 18,000 only!) kvigneshbhasker Modifications & Accessories 12 13th June 2014 12:47
Indica EV showcased at Bologna Motor Show- Quicker than City, Corolla manasm The Indian Car Scene 22 10th December 2008 12:30


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 01:27.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks