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Old 15th July 2015, 19:03   #16
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Default Re: Innova Fuel Pump: Replaced at Denso service center for 50% of the price of Toyota dealership

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That you for sharing your experience Jack Sparrow. Was there any issue with the FIPs of particular batches of Innova? In that case Toyota should have recalled cars from there batches and done a voluntary replacement.
Nothing that I could recall wrt to FIP's. Tried researching during the failure but could not find any and Lanson Toyota did not say anything on mailers from Toyota for voluntary replacement. Either way my car was 4+ years old at the time of replacement and Toyota only gives a Std 3 yrs/100 K kms warranty. Was helpless and had to repair it to keep the car running.

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Jack Sparrow, your thread was one of the very helpful ones that I had read while going through the whole mess. The difference between your car and mine was the error codes. Mine showed none.
Glad they were useful. Thats the beauty of this Forum.

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Another point I have to take care is to tank up the car only from good reputed bunks (especially COCOs). I have the habit of going to remote places/ unchartered territories. Will have to make sure not to tank up from remote areas else be prepared for FIP issues.

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I tried to search for this thread, but unfortunately I could not trace any thread started by Jack Sparrow. Would you or Jack Sparrow mind sharing the url?
We normally tank up in a reputed bunk within the city and stick to a single bunk always. All my fillings for Innova and Scorpio have been through a good Petrol bunk and I maintain my logs....Could be a case of adulterated fuel from one of the highway trips before the failure. Just got unlucky on this and it was the only major breakdown with my car.
I did not create a thread but posted it in CDM's thread regd fuel pump issues with Innova. Link below.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...em-issue.html# (Fuel pump / fuel system issue?)

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One of the most common causes of fuel pump failure is running the tank on fumes (low fuel). ......I never let my cars go below the 1/4th level.
Agreed GTO. I tank up my cars once it reaches the 1/4 mark and never run low on fuel. I have psychological problem too when I see it below that level. Always have a feeling that I would stall somewhere.

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......Speedmunster and Jack Sparrow, do any one of you recollect running your car with almost dry fuel tank or at a fuel level well below the reserve? Or to put it in perspective have you ever done a tankful where the quantity of diesel that went in was very close to 55 litres?
Nope. Normally it takes in 43-44 ltrs of fuel for every tank fill. So is the case with my Scorpio which takes in 45 ltrs(over the last 74 refills).

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Old 17th July 2015, 15:22   #17
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Default Re: Innova Fuel Pump: Replaced at Denso service center for 50% of the price of Toyota dealership

A funny thing I forgot to mention in the original post is something that I found out about the Innova's ECU. During all the researching that was being done before the repairs, I had called Abhishek @ Kiirus to ask him if there could be something wrong with the ECU and if he could take a look at it when he came down to Hyderabad the next time. He said that this definitely does not seem to be a case of a malfunctioning ECU and it was something else that was causing all the trouble.

Next question to him was whether he could remap the ECU of the Innova. And the answer: The Innova's ECU cannot be remapped. This particular ECU happens to be based on a very old design and one of the very few ECUs in the world that can not be remapped. The only other thing that can be done to increase power and torque is to add a Diesel tuning box.

This information, I thought would be useful to some of us 'poor' Innova owners.

Cheers.

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Mr. Afzal Khan himself hooked up the OBD scanner to my Innova and tried to check for any fault codes. Again, no error codes showed up. He was nice enough to call up the engineers at the Denso India headquarters and discussed my car’s problems in detail. They too suggested to change the fuel pump. Now coming to the price: Star Diesel quoted Rs. 30800 for the fuel pump and Rs. 2000 for labour charges. The price difference was astonishing to say the least. Got the fuel pump changed at Star Diesel and what a difference that has made. The car runs better than a new Innova, starts like it should, has immense torque through the gears and the acceleration is unbelievable. It now feels better than it felt when we bought the Innova.
Congratulations @speedmunster for getting the Innova back to its pristine condition.
Please pardon me if I am being rude, but, Star Electronic Diesel Engineers, the place where you got the fuel filter changed (authorised dealer for Denso) does not appear in the listed service centers in their website. The website can be referred to here.

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Congratulations @speedmunster for getting the Innova back to its pristine condition.
Please pardon me if I am being rude, but, Star Electronic Diesel Engineers, the place where you got the fuel filter changed (authorised dealer for Denso) does not appear in the listed service centers in their website. The website can be referred to here.

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This is the page I saw.
http://www.denso.co.in/Denso%20Service%20Network%20Fuel%20injection%20pum ps%20south%20zone.aspx

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One of the most common causes of fuel pump failure is running the tank on fumes (low fuel). In many fuel pumps, the lubrication is provided by the fuel itself. I hate to see cars running with the 'reserve fuel' light showing. I never let my cars go below the 1/4th level.
Thanks for that valuable info. My driver recently ran my honda city out of fuel. After tanking up the car wouldn't start. My mechanic gave a few taps to the fuel pump and it fired up. However he warned me that it will stall anytime unless the fuel pump is replaced. I though he was just trying to make a quick buck. However, the car had become unreliable ever since, stalling every few days, and then starting up after a struggle. Finally after reading this thread i realised I will have to change the fuel pump. Cost quoted for imported pump Rs.4000 + 800 labour. Company cost is around Rs.17,000. Going with the mechanics suggestion since car is now around 8 years old. Will probably sell it in a year or two.
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Surprised to see an issue occur in an Innova.I hope your car isn't facing any issues now.

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The Innova's ECU cannot be remapped. This particular ECU happens to be based on a very old design and one of the very few ECUs in the world that can not be remapped.
While this was true in 2015, it has changed in 2016. Toyota ECUs (Innova, Fortuner, Etios, Liva) can be remapped now. Coincidentally, the first Innova that got remapped in India belongs to a BHPian in Pune.

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